Spiral Dynamics Stage Yellow Examples Mega-Thread

[JustinNashville]

First time poster and new to this so forgive me for stupid questions!

I've read that men like Jesus, Aristotle, Plato and the Buddha are Yellows.  They all existed 2000+ years ago though.  If people have to go through each level below, then how can they be Yellow when Orange didn't come into existence until 300 years ago and Green later than that and Yellow later than that?  One of the assumptions is incorrect if they are Yellows or they are not Yellows.  When they were alive the highest level of consciousness was only Blue therefore they can't be more than Blue.  A possible argument could be made that Jesus / Buddha aren't really only men (which can't be proven or denied) but that argument can't be made about Plato and Aristotle. I'm confused here.

 

Thoughts?

Justin

[seeking_brilliance]

31 minutes ago, JustinNashville said:

First time poster and new to this so forgive me for stupid questions!

I've read that men like Jesus, Aristotle, Plato and the Buddha are Yellows.  They all existed 2000+ years ago though.  If people have to go through each level below, then how can they be Yellow when Orange didn't come into existence until 300 years ago and Green later than that and Yellow later than that?  One of the assumptions is incorrect if they are Yellows or they are not Yellows.  When they were alive the highest level of consciousness was only Blue therefore they can't be more than Blue.  A possible argument could be made that Jesus / Buddha aren't really only men (which can't be proven or denied) but that argument can't be made about Plato and Aristotle. I'm confused here.

 

Thoughts?

Justin

I think they realized their rainbow nature ?? which transcends chronological progression of spiral colours

[DocWatts]

1 hour ago, JustinNashville said:

First time poster and new to this so forgive me for stupid questions!

I've read that men like Jesus, Aristotle, Plato and the Buddha are Yellows.  They all existed 2000+ years ago though.  If people have to go through each level below, then how can they be Yellow when Orange didn't come into existence until 300 years ago and Green later than that and Yellow later than that?  One of the assumptions is incorrect if they are Yellows or they are not Yellows.  When they were alive the highest level of consciousness was only Blue therefore they can't be more than Blue.  A possible argument could be made that Jesus / Buddha aren't really only men (which can't be proven or denied) but that argument can't be made about Plato and Aristotle. I'm confused here.

 

Thoughts?

Justin

While people like Aristotle and Plato were very advanced for thier time, it helps to place them in a historical context. The dominant SD-stage during thier era was Red, with Athenian Democracy representing very early Blue. Aristotle and Plato would probably be better classified as incredibly high functioning Blue. Remember that the emergence of Blue was a sign of moral progress at that time.

The Systems Thinking approach of Yellow would have been highly unlikely to develop in such an early era, before there was a cultural, philosophical, and scientific framework available to help facilitate it.

As to Jesus and Buddha, that's a bit trickier, since it's hard to separate the historical person and thier teaching from the thousands of years of mythology that developed around them; someone else might have more insights here.

Edited December 30, 2020 by DocWatts

[Carl-Richard]

2 hours ago, JustinNashville said:

First time poster and new to this so forgive me for stupid questions!

I've read that men like Jesus, Aristotle, Plato and the Buddha are Yellows.  They all existed 2000+ years ago though.  If people have to go through each level below, then how can they be Yellow when Orange didn't come into existence until 300 years ago and Green later than that and Yellow later than that?  One of the assumptions is incorrect if they are Yellows or they are not Yellows.

I would hesitate to apply a SD stage to a place in history where that stage generally didn't exist, especially if it's two or more stages removed from the cultural backdrop. The individual is always in a transactional relationship with the environment, so even if they are starting to push the edge, there is always something that keeps them back. A stage also doesn't really have any solid ground to grow on if it's more than 1 above the mainstream of the society, because revolutionary thinking is more or less always grounded in a reaction to the status quo. That is why the stages took such a long time to evolve, because they ultimately require a gradual change on the societal level from one stage to the next.

Edited December 30, 2020 by Carl-Richard

[DocWatts]

David Foster Wallace comes to mind when I try and come up with an example of a Yellow literary author, whos novels and essays delve into topics such as the limits of post-modernism, the corrupting influence of consumerism, and substance abuse and addiction. He was also highly influential in the development of post-postmodernism, or the literary and artistic movement known as 'the new sincerity'.
 

  

Edited December 30, 2020 by DocWatts

[Leo Gura]

6 hours ago, JustinNashville said:

I've read that men like Jesus, Aristotle, Plato and the Buddha are Yellows.

No they weren't.

Modern people would be shocked at how backwards such people were compared today's standards.

The Buddha famously didn't think women should pursue enlightenment.

[Raphael]

Sustainable Development Goals

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The Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs) or Global Goals are a collection of 17 interlinked global goals designed to be a "blueprint to achieve a better and more sustainable future for all". The SDGs were set in 2015 by the United Nations General Assembly and are intended to be achieved by the year 2030. They are included in a UN Resolution called the 2030 Agenda or what is colloquially known as Agenda 2030.

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Though the goals are broad and interdependent, two years later (6 July 2017) the SDGs were made more "actionable" by a UN Resolution adopted by the General Assembly. The resolution identifies specific targets for each goal, along with indicators that are being used to measure progress toward each target. The year by which the target is meant to be achieved is usually between 2020 and 2030. For some of the targets, no end date is given.

To facilitate monitoring, a variety of tools exist to track and visualize progress towards the goals. All intend to make data more available and more easily understood. For example, the online publication SDG-Tracker, launched in June 2018, presents available data across all indicators. The SDGs pay attention to multiple cross-cutting issues, like gender equity, education, and culture cut across all of the SDGs. There were serious impacts and implications of the COVID-19 pandemic on all 17 SDGs in the year 2020.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainable_Development_Goals
More information: https://sdgs.un.org

List of the goals:

1. No Poverty
2. Zero Hunger
3. Good Health and Well-being
4. Quality Education
5. Gender Equality
6. Clean Water and Sanitation
7. Affordable and Clean Energy
8. Decent Work and Economic Growth
9. Industry, Innovation and Infrastructure
10. Reducing Inequality
11. Sustainable Cities and Communities
12. Responsible Consumption and Production
13. Climate Action
14. Life Below Water
15. Life On Land
16. Peace, Justice, and Strong Institutions
17. Partnerships for the Goals

[JustinNashville]

20 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

No they weren't.

Modern people would be shocked at how backwards such people were compared today's standards.

The Buddha famously didn't think women should pursue enlightenment.

Thanks everyone for the responses. That makes a lot of sense!

[Raphael]

 

[Loving Radiance]

 

[How to be wise]

On 30/12/2020 at 8:34 PM, Leo Gura said:

The Buddha famously didn't think women should pursue enlightenment.

This is very common outside the west. Men prevent women from attending religious sites because they don’t want to be distracted by a woman’s beauty and the sexual desire caused by looking at a woman. Classic stage Blue repression.

[nitramadas]

28 minutes ago, How to be wise said:

This is very common outside the west. Men prevent women from attending religious sites because they don’t want to be distracted by a woman’s beauty and the sexual desire caused by looking at a woman. Classic stage Blue repression.

..which is why the Buddha wasn't Enlightened.  Stage Orange at best.  

[How to be wise]

11 minutes ago, nitramadas said:

..which is why the Buddha wasn't Enlightened.  Stage Orange at best.  

Enlightenment and spiral dynamics are more or less separate. You can even be stage Purple and enlightened, for example some African medicine men.

[How to be wise]

@nitramadas I remember Sadhguru talking about his yoga centre, when he started a program for serious yoga pursuit. He said that a group of young men who were determined to work hard in yoga came, but the women (also doing the program) were too pretty and the men ended up leaving to get married.

Of course Sadhguru will not segregate men and women, but for stage Blue people (majority of the planet), the above scenario would be reason enough to ban all women.

[nitramadas]

43 minutes ago, How to be wise said:

Enlightenment and spiral dynamics are more or less separate. You can even be stage Purple and enlightened, for example some African medicine men.

You need to be challenged to actually know where you are.  Under no pressure everyone appears enlightened.

You need to raise the ego before it's worth the effort of killing it.  No one wants to be around an enlightened idiot who doesn't value anything/anyone, and can't give you a good debate.  If you hang out with people who consider themselves incompetent fools who've made that their reality, over time, forces will balance out, and you'll become like them.  Nothing wrong with that, but you're the director, and no choice is still a choice, so you might as well make the choices you want, and you better be as selfish as you can. 

"No good deed goes unpunished."

 

Turquoise is the bare minimum for being enlightened.

The stages don't e.g. start at "normal" and ascend into "something".  They end at normal, and begin at dysfunctional.

Don't let its rarity make you think it's something special.  It's what should be the standard.  Ever thought about how people people hundreds/thousands of years ago were unbelievably primitive with their IQs of ~70 or even ~30?  Humans used to be as dumb as dogs, and it was normal.  And now stage Blue is normal.  It's common for people to speak of Turquoise as something great, something abnormal & Blue/Orange/Green as something standard and ubiquitous, but that's just bias people have when looking through their own specific perspective.

So, yes, anything below Turquoise is inadequate.  Even Yellows are too immature, though I'm not sure I've seen a single one of those on this forum..

 

That said, any stage can have an enlightenment experience.  But that's completely unrelated and I've probably written an essay or two on that here before..

Edited January 8, 2021 by nitramadas

[nitramadas]

36 minutes ago, How to be wise said:

@nitramadas I remember Sadhguru talking about his yoga centre, when he started a program for serious yoga pursuit. He said that a group of young men who were determined to work hard in yoga came, but the women (also doing the program) were too pretty and the men ended up leaving to get married.

Of course Sadhguru will not segregate men and women, but for stage Blue people (majority of the planet), the above scenario would be reason enough to ban all women.

Surprising words from someone with that many posts..

Sadhguru is a well known bullshitter.  That's just how the most advanced Turquoists are.  They don't give a shit about being factually accurate, consistent, logical or well studied.  You'd need a Guru for that.  Sadhguru, etc. say whatever just to make some dumb old analogy.  Analogies/metaphors are like a whole other language for them, and they speak it instead of English.  You'll never know if Sadhguru's BSing or not, so take nothing he says literally, EVER!  Surely, you must've noticed how he laughs at everything he says, yes? *chuckles* Hello?!  Is this making sense? Hello?.. yes? *chuckles*

The man is fucking possessed..

 

Even if that crazy story is true, it would not warrant a statement such as:

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The Buddha famously didn't think women should pursue enlightenment.

The Guru could always just separate them into different classes ..problem solved.  That story you mentioned is no different to me saying:

"lmao, they used to call me the town rapist as I had this habit of getting drunk and raping like 20 girls a night, lol amirite? but, like, I said to the judge: Well it's their fault for dressing like that! They expect to walk around WITHOUT having their face covered and NOT get raped? dafuq? right? The judge was understanding, and now I can legally rape them if they're without a face covering (or if I just rip it off, lol).  And that's why women should not be allowed to go outside unescorted."

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the above scenario would be reason enough to ban all women

..Mmmhmm.  Well.. that's a perfectly good & rational opinion I guess; just as valid as mine..

 

lol.  You see the problem here, yes? *chuckles* ..Hello? 

[Lyubov]

 

[andyjohnsonman]

15 hours ago, Lyubov said:

 

Basically anything Rebel Wisdom produce is yellow

[Lyubov]

2 hours ago, andyjohnsonman said:

Basically anything Rebel Wisdom produce is yellow

I haven't seen too much of his stuff even though I've been subbed to him for a while. Gonna check out more of his videos. 

[Loving Radiance]

Dr. Khaled ElSherbini is combining Spiral Dynamics Integral with enneagram. I would also peg him at turqoise, but he seems to be a chameleon in that regard.

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Dr. Khaled ElSherbini is the founder and chairman of “Enneagram Egypt”, the first and largest IEA accredited Enneagram school in North Africa and the Middle East. He is also the founder of “BeCon, the Consciousness Academy” a dedicated academy focusing on human development and spiritual transformation. Dr. ElSherbini is an IEA Accredited Enneagram Professional, and the founder of the IEA Accredited Training program “Awaken through Enneagram”, the only IEA fully accredited program in Africa and the Middle East.

 

Dr. ElSherbini obtained his Bachelors Degree in Mechanical Engineering from the American University in Cairo, his Masters Degree in Environmental Engineering from the American University in Cairo, his Doctorate degree in Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering from West Virginia University, and his MBA degree in strategic management and innovation and technology management from the German University in Cairo. 

 

Thereafter, Dr. ElSherbini obtained numerous certifications in the field of human development, including: Neuro Linguistic Programming (NLP) Master Level, Reiki Universal Energy Master/teacher, Life Coaching practitioner, Systemic constellations practitioner, Mindfulness and Consciousness practitioner, Enneagram practitioner, and Integral consciousness.

 

Dr. ElSherbini has over 25 years of experience in the fields of human development, coaching, consciousness and awareness, executive management, corporate restructuring, sustainability, renewable energy, research and development, technology management, strategic management, and teaching in the USA, Spain, Ukraine, Germany, Switzerland, China, and in Egypt. Dr. ElSherbini has built from scratch numerous Egyptian teams in major industrial organizations, one of which became the largest and most active industrial R&D team in Egypt with over 100 professionals acting harmoniously and effectively.

 

Following is a brief list of Dr. ElSherbini’s main milestones:

 

Education:

· PhD in Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering   West Virginia University (USA)

· MBA in Strategic & Innovation Management  German University in Cairo

· MSc in Environmental Engineering   American University in Cairo

· BSc in Mechanical Engineering   American University in Cairo

 

Human Development and Communication

· Enneagram  IEA Accredited Professional

· Integral Consciousness  Member – IntegralLife (USA)

· Mindfulness Teacher

· Certified Coach  Practitioner – ICI (Germany)

· Universal Energy  Master Teacher – RAND (USA)

· Neuro Linguistic Programming (NLP)  Master Practitioner – INLPTA (USA)

· Systemic Constellations   Practitioner – CSC (UK) 

 

Areas of Human Development Training, Coaching, and Consultation

· Enneagram

· Spiral Dynamics

· Integral consciousness

· Consciousness Coaching

· Mindfulness

· Neuro Linguistic Programming (NLP)

· Executive Coaching

· Life Coaching

· Human typology and personality analysis

· Career roadmapping

· Effective Communication

· Shadow work and Psychological assessment

· Systemic Constellations

· Consciousness development

· Strategic Management

· Human Energy Management

 

Edited January 9, 2021 by Loving Radiance