Spiral Dynamics Stage Yellow Examples Mega-Thread

[tuckerwphotography]

@Rilles If I was literally starving, I would for sure take a Big Mac with a large fries and a chocolate shake. Otherwise, nah, I'm good.

[Loving Radiance]

1 hour ago, integral said:

How do we make integral theory practical and accessible to orange and green? Maybe we need to dump it down?

No dumping down needed as they are already contained, and it just needs the right highlighter... instead of choosing the widely used neon yellow, maybe select neon orange & green for clarifying what is for whom

[DocWatts]

22 minutes ago, Rilles said:

Haha, what if you had no choice? Would you rather starve?  

Im not super into Wilber, I like this video though. Crazy how its from 2006, dudes been around. 

I like Wilber but I feel he tends to strawman Green at times. I think he also overestimates how much influence Academia has on the culture at large; how many people in the general population know who someone like Michel Foucault is, or could articulate the arguments of Dialectic Materialism used in Marxism?

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, integral said:

@Carl-Richard you seem to be on point, can you point to any resources that help you understand these topics? How did you build your foundation? 

I want to be clear that I have done very little research and that I'm just mostly going on intuition. You should be aware that this is also true for most people on here who talk about SD and systems thinking, and I'm not saying that is necessarily a bad thing, but it's something to keep in mind. These things are afterall grounded in higher intuitional domains and not necessarily bound to any explicit concepts.

I think Ken Wilber is my biggest influence if we discount Leo. Of course the mandatory philosophy curriculum in university also helps (Kuhn, Feyerbend, Lakatos etc.). If we're talking about people who don't often speak about systems thinking as a concept but still embodies it, then I would mention Daniel Schmachtenberger, Rupert Sheldrake, Terrence McKenna, Noam Chomsky, sometimes Eric Weinstein.

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[Rilles]

A good addition to Leos science videos. 

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[Applegarden]

Andrew Yang

 

[Brittany]

The Cosmic Skeptic is an Atheist with a deeply philosophical mind. His content is not related to spiritual awakening but it is brilliant.

I've been binge watching his channel for the past 24 hours.

 

 

Edited November 6, 2020 by Brittany

[Carl-Richard]

@Brittany He is early green at best according to my estimation (vegan activism). His disagreement with Sam Harris isn't very surprising either as moral relativism is pretty much a staple in rationalist circles. He is a strong materialist (explains his determinist view on free will). He might go yellow later in his life or if he stumbles across some type of consciousness expansion.

[Rilles]

Reading The Black Swan by Nassim Taleb, he seems to be orange/Yellow. Can anyone fill me in on if this guy is worth more of my time? 

[Rilles]

"99% of who you are is invisible and untouchable" - Buckminster Fuller

 

just thought that was a beautiful quote

Edited November 6, 2020 by Rilles

[Matt1576]

7 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

@Brittany He is early green at best according to my estimation (vegan activism). His disagreement with Sam Harris isn't very surprising either as moral relativism is pretty much a staple in rationalist circles. He is a strong materialist (explains his determinist view on free will). He might go yellow later in his life or if he stumbles across some type of consciousness expansion.

Totally agree, he's talked about how he was raised christian, so it seems he's made quite the transition, possibly from blue, definetely up to orange/green now, and I expect for sure he'll move up to yellow in the future. He has nuanced opinions about a lot of topics and is a really smart guy but I don't think that makes him yellow. He's still got lots of green outrage towards the factory farming industry to get out of his system before that happens. 

[Matt1576]

The interconnectedness between all the goals especially is what indicates this as yellow to me 

[Rilles]

8 minutes ago, Matt1576 said:

The interconnectedness between all the goals especially is what indicates this as yellow to me 

Still kind of idealistic though, I think were going to have sacrifice alot of the old world to survive, climate change is going to be real difficult. 

[Reciprocality]

^ the interconnectedness of those are the ethics of green, to not find those radicaly different in utility when fixed is the bottleneck of green.

A yellow hierarchy will do for that issue, in which the interconnectedness of all these issues actually diminishes and is restored with a plan for which needs most prioritation, to priority ofcourse is not specific to yellow, but will be done with the common good in mind to further extents, and lesser of egoic virtue ethical ideals.

If the time comes and we need to prioritize, do we save the planet or do we make abortion legal to the 24th week? 

[Matt1576]

8 minutes ago, Rilles said:

Still kind of idealistic though

I think they're idealistic too, but not in the same way green is. Green is idealistic to an impractical extent. I think these goals are, to an extent at least, idealistic and yet self aware of the fact. 

9 minutes ago, Rilles said:

I think were going to have sacrifice alot of the old world to survive, climate change is going to be real difficult. 

Yeah definetely agree

[Matt1576]

@Reciprocality Perhaps I've misunderstood what you were saying, but I don't believe that acknowledging the interconnectedness between the goals is the same as saying they're all equal in importance. You can have a hierarchy and prioritise the goals whilst also realising that making progress on one goal can also have an impact on other goals.