Spiral Dynamics Stage Yellow Examples Mega-Thread

[DocWatts]

On 10/25/2020 at 7:21 AM, Leo Gura said:

I doubt Kayne is Yellow.

He's, let's just say... special

Too narcissistic to be Yellow. Having some awareness of Constructs alone does not a Yellow make.

[Bernardo Carleial]

Stage Green/Yellow

[Rilles]

Im not saying she is Yellow, but this is "living while being conscious of your ecological footprint" which is a Yellow value. 

[integral]

@Rilles Yellow doesn't have the motivation to do this, green does. Yellow sees individual efforts like this a waist of time and would rater focus its energy on root cause systemic efforts. 

This is also solidly a green value.

 

Edit: I am not saying yellow doesnt care or is not a minimalist, im saying it lacks motivation to do meticulous foot print reduction. Because it sees how ineffective it is. 

Edited November 2, 2020 by integral

[Rilles]

28 minutes ago, integral said:

@Rilles Yellow doesn't have the motivation to do this, green does. Yellow sees individual efforts like this a waist of time and would rater focus its energy on root cause systemic efforts. 

This is also solidly a green value.

So the Yellow lifestyle is more like Orange? I dont quite get what youre trying to say. Isnt Yellow supposed to be ecologically conscious? What makes you say you cant be both sustainable and working on the root cause solutions?

pg. 282 Spiral Dynamics: Mastering Values, Leadership and Change

"•favours appropriate technology, minimal consumption, and a deliberate effort to avoid waste and clutter"

But theyre flexible, not rigid. I think Ken Wilber said something like "One minute extremely organized and put together and then all of sudden you seem them having McDonalds" ... Flex/Flow

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Edited November 2, 2020 by Rilles

[Carl-Richard]

27 minutes ago, integral said:

@Rilles Yellow doesn't have the motivation to do this, green does. Yellow sees individual efforts like this a waist of time and would rater focus its energy on root cause systemic efforts. 

This is also solidly a green value.

At which point does this not just become empty talk?

Edited November 2, 2020 by Carl-Richard

[integral]

@Rilles Yellow is a natural minimalist within reason, it does not try to fight the environment/world its living in, goes with the flow. Yellow also sees that its foot print depends on the structure its living in and so individual efforts will have 0 impact long term. Long term vs Short term thinking. 

Greens minimalism comes from a place of values, "i dont like wasting" Green is trying to get more of what it wants. (survival)

Yellows minimalism comes from a place of not needing. "These things dont add anything to my life, its unnecessary" Yellow is not trying, things naturally fall away. 

[Rilles]

3 minutes ago, integral said:

@Rilles Yellow also sees that its foot print depends on the structure its living in and so individual efforts will have 0 impact long term. Long term vs Short term thinking. 

But individual, structure and system are not separate, its holistic, so everything you do has an impact. Otherwise we might as well go back to Orange and say "screw it, doesnt matter, Im just an individual"

[integral]

3 minutes ago, Rilles said:

But individual, structure and system are not separate, its holistic, so everything you do has an impact. Otherwise we might as well go back to Orange and say "screw it, doesnt matter, Im just an individual"

15 minutes ago, integral said:

Yellow is a natural minimalist within reason, it does not try to fight the environment/world its living in, goes with the flow.

This is not a screw it mentality. "natural minimalist", reducing this to orange is ridiculous. Ah kk i see how i worded it in my first post, it makes it seem like im saying yellow doesnt care. Didnt mean to frame it that way. 

27 minutes ago, Rilles said:

But individual, structure and system are not separate, its holistic, so everything you do has an impact. Otherwise we might as well go back to Orange and say "screw it, doesnt matter, Im just an individual"

Have you ever seen minimalism effect the statistics? Environmental population is growing rapidly, its not stable or linear. If its growing then larger systems need to change, nothing else will stop it. 

We see real footprint reduction happening in eco conscious green countries, or stemming from eco friendly companies like with tesla. 

 

 

[Rilles]

13 minutes ago, integral said:

Have you ever seen minimalism effect the statistics? Environmental population is growing rapidly, its not stable or linear. If its growing then larger systems need to change, nothing else will stop it. 

We see real footprint reduction happening in eco conscious green countries, or stemming from eco friendly companies like with tesla. 

 

Got it!

[integral]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

At which point does this not become empty talk?

Is this valuable? How am i supposed to learn from this? Explain your thoughts so i can learn please. 

[integral]

On 10/24/2020 at 3:40 AM, Leo Gura said:

Intregral 2.0, Lol, falls flat on its face right on the first point.

Did they even read Ken Wilber?

Thats if our focus is truth?  

Integral 2.0 is a misleading name, it should called "the integral movement". Its a practical repackaging of integral theory for our current cultural altitude. Its yellow integral not turquoise integral. I dont think we need turquoise right now (exception sadguru is doing a good job), we need high green/yellow organizations/momentum. Its also trying to avoid inactivity traps, like philosophizing all our problems away. Even if in the absolute sense it is true, it is often done unhealthily or not productively. Also pushing anti-materialism (lol) can be counter productive to the movement, we need to pick our battles. 

How do we make integral theory practical and accessible to orange and green? Maybe we need to dump it down? 

Edited November 2, 2020 by integral

[Carl-Richard]

34 minutes ago, integral said:

Is this valuable? How am i supposed to learn from this? Explain your thoughts so i can learn please. 

You did elaborate in your last comment so it's alright. I just saw a pattern based on my earlier observations of how it's easy to use terms like "systemic", "integration", "construct-aware" etc. without referring to anything specific that has any relevance to systems thinking.

[integral]

@Carl-Richard you seem to be on point, can you point to any resources that help you understand these topics? How did you build your foundation? 

[tuckerwphotography]

1 hour ago, integral said:

@Rilles Yellow is a natural minimalist within reason, it does not try to fight the environment/world its living in, goes with the flow. Yellow also sees that its foot print depends on the structure its living in and so individual efforts will have 0 impact long term. Long term vs Short term thinking. 

Greens minimalism comes from a place of values, "i dont like wasting" Green is trying to get more of what it wants. (survival)

Yellows minimalism comes from a place of not needing. "These things dont add anything to my life, its unnecessary" Yellow is not trying, things naturally fall away. 

I don't disagree with your overall premise, but to be fair these are very broad generalizations. I think it's both/and. Yellow can both care about their individual efforts while also having the larger perspective that recycling one bottle won't save the world. But it might save one fish from choking to death. So it's not "nothing" or "0 impact" - that sounds like Orange thinking. Yellow transcends and includes Green, meaning in theory Yellow folks integrate Green environmental sustainability into their general worldview and daily lifestyles but do so with a more holistic and less radicalized perspective. Broadly speaking here, as of course there's many flavors of Yellow. 

[tuckerwphotography]

3 hours ago, Rilles said:

 

 

This video is great! Never thought about protesting from a SD perspective. Fascinating. Although no way I'm eating McDonalds...that shit is nasty

Wilbur was so much more articulate and concise at this age. He tends to ramble a lot these days.

Edited November 2, 2020 by tuckerwphotography

[Rilles]

4 minutes ago, tuckerwphotography said:

This video is great! Never thought about protesting from a SD perspective. Fascinating. Although no way I'm eating McDonalds...that shit is nasty

Wilbur was so much more articulate and concise at this age. He tends to ramble a lot these days.

Haha, what if you had no choice? Would you rather starve?  

Im not super into Wilber, I like this video though. Crazy how its from 2006, dudes been around. 

[tuckerwphotography]

@Rilles If I was literally starving, I would for sure take a Big Mac with a large fries and a chocolate shake. Otherwise, nah, I'm good.

[Loving Radiance]

1 hour ago, integral said:

How do we make integral theory practical and accessible to orange and green? Maybe we need to dump it down?

No dumping down needed as they are already contained, and it just needs the right highlighter... instead of choosing the widely used neon yellow, maybe select neon orange & green for clarifying what is for whom

[DocWatts]

22 minutes ago, Rilles said:

Haha, what if you had no choice? Would you rather starve?  

Im not super into Wilber, I like this video though. Crazy how its from 2006, dudes been around. 

I like Wilber but I feel he tends to strawman Green at times. I think he also overestimates how much influence Academia has on the culture at large; how many people in the general population know who someone like Michel Foucault is, or could articulate the arguments of Dialectic Materialism used in Marxism?