Spiral Dynamics Stage Yellow Examples Mega-Thread

[tuckerwphotography]

Excellent podcast interview with Zak Stein.

I disagree with his analysis of the Hero's Journey. I think he's conflating Hollywood's version with the ancient mythological Joseph Campbell version. But other than that I really resonated with his meta analysis of the evolutionary journey that's underway. 

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coaches-rising/id1144203613?i=1000493396440

 

[DocWatts]

On 10/5/2020 at 9:02 PM, louhad said:

concise stage yellow understanding of race in america

Seems like a shame that such a well thought out and insightful video has something like 150 views. I'll definitely be checking out more of his channel.

[UnbornTao]

Seems yellow to me:

 

[Rolo]

 

 

[Carl-Richard]

@Rolo ?

[Rolo]

@Carl-Richard i honestly think he has stage yellow qualities, American media has just tired to destroy him. 

[Carl-Richard]

2 minutes ago, Rolo said:

@Carl-Richard i honestly think he has stage yellow qualities, American media has just tired to destroy him. 

You should provide timestamps and concrete examples of what he says that is Yellow.

[Rolo]

43 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

You should provide timestamps and concrete examples of what he says that is Yellow.

20:50

insightful

40:50

emotional intelligence 

42:25

congruence 

I would suggest watching the whole thing, he answered these aggressive questions really well, showing a lot of rational and intelligence, at the end the reporter even bought his words and pointed the questions to nbc news. 

 

Edited October 14, 2020 by Rolo

[Carl-Richard]

40 minutes ago, Rolo said:

42:25

I'll refrain from judging other people's interpretation of SD in here, but the "I hope I will be remembered" thing is very striking and it reminds me about what the late Frank Zappa had to say about exactly that (0:00-0:38): 

Generally speaking, selflessness is an indicator of high spiral development.

Edited October 14, 2020 by Carl-Richard

[Bernardo Carleial]

 

On 10/10/2020 at 1:36 PM, Arzola said:

Seems yellow to me:

 

That's because he is!?

Jacque Fresco is a very good example of a vMEME Yellow futurist!?

[Rolo]

17 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

I'll refrain from judging other people's interpretation of SD in here, but the "I hope I will be remembered" thing is very striking and it reminds me about what the late Frank Zappa had to say about exactly that (0:00-0:38): 

Generally speaking, selflessness is an indicator of high spiral development.

selflessness doesn't mean people forget about you, if somebody commits a selfless act  they could be someone that is remembered like a Jesus or a Buddha. 

from what i can see al assad broke these questions down showing clear systems thinking, if you want to criticise the video i would suggest watching the whole thing, points i put down were just a quick flick though some of the video.

Edited October 15, 2020 by Rolo

[Kamran]

Some yellow in there? 

 

[Carl-Richard]

4 hours ago, Rolo said:

selflessness doesn't mean people forget about you

That wasn't my point. Selflessness just means that you don't care if people forget about you, and it's generally speaking an indicator of higher development. I say generally because there are some nuances there.

There are different ways of viewing selflessness. You might want to call people who sacrifice themselves for their tribe or country selfless, but you can also look at it as them serving their identity as being a member of a group (which is collectivistic instead of individualistic) and is therefore instead an act of selfishness. I would place Assad in that category: he wants to be remembered as a man who protected his country. A more puritanian version of that would be if he instead had said that he doesn't care about being remembered and that he only cares about his country.

The type of selflessness that Zappa is displaying is on a deeper level. He doesn't care at all about the idea of being remembered, neither from an individualistic standpoint or from the standpoint of being associated with any group (like his country). To be able to disassociate yourself from your identity and view yourself from a larger perspective is a sign of higher development. Then you could argue that this process has been somewhat hijacked by the fact that he had been diagnosed with terminal prostate cancer and that he had essentially been forced over a couple of years to come to terms with the impermanence of life. Then again, most people don't come to terms with that before their last breath.

Edited October 15, 2020 by Carl-Richard

[Rolo]

20 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

I would place Assad in that category: he wants to be remembered as a man who protected his country. A more puritanian version of that would be if he instead had said that he doesn't care about being remembered and that he only cares about his country.

 

Its important to recognize that his remembrance is inevitable, he is facing a challenge that requires success or failure and a whole country is looking at him as their protector. Its a fair call for him to make that statement due to his political position and where most of the middle east is on the spectrum.    

[Carl-Richard]

3 hours ago, Rolo said:

Its important to recognize that his remembrance is inevitable, he is facing a challenge that requires success or failure and a whole country is looking at him as their protector. Its a fair call for him to make that statement due to his political position and where most of the middle east is on the spectrum.    

Still, the way he phrashes it has typical red/blue dictator wibes. "I hope I will be remembered" was said as a standalone sentence. Zappa's point that the people who care about being remembered are people like Reagan and Bush applies here.

Edited October 16, 2020 by Carl-Richard

[Leo Gura]

On 10/5/2020 at 11:01 AM, DocWatts said:

Just something interesting that I recall Don Beck mentioning during an Interview is that he would probably map himself as Blue in SD.

Which would explain why he doesn't understand Ken Wilber and Turquoise.

[Leo Gura]

On 10/15/2020 at 2:08 AM, Kamran said:

Some yellow in there?

Brainpower without consciousness = stupidity

[Happy Lizard]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Which would explain why he doesn't understand Ken Wilber and Turquoise.

I thought one could not possibly see beyond their stage on the spiral. How is it that the founder of spiral dynamics not be at least orange centered, since the model he designed is essentially scientific?

Edited October 17, 2020 by Happy Lizard

[Leo Gura]

57 minutes ago, Happy Lizard said:

I thought one could not possibly see beyond their stage on the spiral. How is it that the founder of spiral dynamics not be at least orange centered, since the model he designed is essentially scientific?

Clare Graves placed himself at Blue/Orange.

If you are doing science well, you can scientifically map out higher stages without yourself having direct experience of them.

A doctor can study cancer without ever experiencing it.

A scientist can study advanced meditators and mystics without ever accessing their levels of consciousness.

But this is a dry sort of knowledge. It isn't embodied.

[Yali]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Clare Graves placed himself at Blue/Orange.

If you are doing science well, you can scientifically map out higher stages without yourself having direct experience of them.

A doctor can study cancer without ever experiencing it.

A scientist can study advanced meditators and mystics without ever accessing their levels of consciousness.

But this is a dry sort of knowledge. It isn't embodied.

@Leo Gura

Can you get a quote for that?