Strange Loops Mega-Thread

[Leo Gura]

44 minutes ago, Neptune2020 said:

@Leo Gura When you say infinity, does this mean the concept of infinity in say calculus?

No, Infinity is not a concept, because concepts are finite.

I mean actual Infinity. Which cannot be spoken because you are it.

Calculus speaks of transfinite infinities, which are smaller infinities than the Absolute. I am speaking of what Georg Cantor called Absolute Infinity.

See my 2-part series: Understanding Absolute Infinity

Absolute Infinity is identical to what you call "life", "perception", or "physical reality" -- but you are not conscious of its true nature as yet.

[Revolutionary Think]

"This sentence contradicts itself — no actually it doesn't, yes it does, no it doesn't, yes it does."

—Some other guy who was arguing with Douglas Hofstadter 

[Revolutionary Think]

I don't know if this qualifies but, it's a bit of a paradox. 

 

Edited July 6, 2018 by Revolutionary Think

[Leo Gura]

@Revolutionary Think That's not a strange loop, that's karma

[Revolutionary Think]

Right. Thanks for the clarification. 

[Leo-Tzu]

 

[lmfao]

@Neptune2020 @Jamie UniverseUniverse( can get rid of the "@JamieUniverse" cuz I'm on mobile). 

When it comes to mathematics (and not what Leo's talking about) , I  don't like to think of infinity as a number. I've come across a couple of ways in which infinity is used in academia. If infinity is used in mathematical limits as the index of a limit, the "∞" represents the fact that we are evaluating what an expression approaches as the referenced variable gets bigger and bigger. 

E. G. "Lim n--> ∞" of " (1+(1/n))^(n)" is equal to "e", 2.7182818284590452353..., an irrational number.

If we ever apply a limit to an expression and get "∞" then we just say that the expression will get indefinitely bigger as the referenced variable approaches a given idex. If the variable is "n" and the index is "0" then you might have

"lim n-->0" of "(6)/(n^(2))" is "∞". As n gets closer and closer to zero, the expression will get indefinitely bigger. 6/0 is undefined. 

Another more interesting way to see infinity is to look at the number of possible numbers between 1 and 2. You have 1.1,1.01,1.001 and etc. The way I look at it is that the mathematical language we use is constructed such that we can always "generate more numbers" irregardless of however many numbers we are currently holding in our mind. You could write 12 billion numbers on a piece of paper, but you could still generate more numbers. In this way, I see infinity as meaning "I can always generate more of this thing". 

I'm sure you already know this, but calculus and limits in general are trying to use the concept of infinities in a way. Like you've probably heard the term infintesimal. 

 

Edited July 6, 2018 by lmfao

[martins name]

21 hours ago, Crystalous said:

What is the colour a mirror actually has?

@Crystalous It's green. I think i heard that in a vsauce episode.

Edited July 6, 2018 by martins name

[the_end_of_me]

 

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[Brent]

Everything I say would be a lie. 

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[Brent]

Don't Think

[student]

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[Bryan Lettner]

Here's some (mostly speculative, just guesses):

1. Continuity and discreetness give birth to one another. They are both limit cases of one another. A regular polygon with infinitely many sides is a continuous circle, and the curviest curve is an angle or sharp peak. 
2. It makes emotional sense to do things that don’t make logical sense. Not making sense makes sense? (this one needs work, maybe not a strange loop.)
3. Reality is deterministically spontaneous. Spontaneity and determinism give birth to one another.
4. Reality is the only map that is also the territory. It describes itself with itself. 

 

[Leo Gura]

Added this one to the blog because it's really good:

https://www.actualized.org/insights/strange-loop-meme

[Moreira]

I think every "strange loop" is based on the double toroid structure that can be found in everything. Some ancient symbols that are strange loops are the celtic triquetra, the ouroboros, ying-yang, the symbol of the infinite.

[Leo Gura]

Well... if you think about what a loop is very abstractly, it's a singular object which links back with itself via some backward, as yet unseen connection. So two ends which previously seemed separate are ultimately recognized to be one and the same.

Try slowly drawing a circle and see what happens. Duality goes full-circle into nonduality The beginning and end are one.

[Bryan Lettner]

The idea from the movie The Never Ending Story, that Creation must be "reseeded" and "given a new name" by one of its creations, to keep it from being consumed by The Nothing.  (2 min clip)

Edited July 9, 2018 by Bryan Lettner

[Bryan Lettner]

Also, the Shepard Tone, the "perpetually rising frequency", kind-of a pseudo- strange loop.

Also this dude makes great GIFs, pretty loopy.  (scroll down for GIFs). Here's a couple:

 

[Leo Gura]

@Bryan Lettner Sweet!

[Dogsbestfriend]

Can't believe this one didn't come up yet - 

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1276104/

Looper the movie