Becoming a full time yogi

[okulele]

On 7/6/2018 at 2:38 AM, kieranperez said:

If you have Leo’s booklist, go under the consciousness/enlightenment section and keyword search the word “Om”... read that book. A great story but also great insights about a monk who gave up materialism to pursue full enlightenment in a cave and then used that to really serve people as part of his own life purpose. Not just coming back and teaching meditation classs to people who aren’t truly open to the profound d truths of reality and are really just there to release stress after a long day of chimpery.

Thank you for the suggestion, I read the book and it was one of the most inspiring reads in a while.

On 7/6/2018 at 8:39 PM, ajasatya said:

if you want to become a full time yogi, do it now. stop running away.

I just finished attending classes discussing Bhagavat Gita. It's a book full of wisdom worth studying over and over. Thank you for the suggestion.

[okulele]

What a life!

This amazing journey brought me to a very wise soul, who fortunately set me a little straighter. This wonderful master showed me very clearly how I was running away from life for a long time and my desire to retreat far away was just another attempt to escape.

After almost 3 years of wandering the world I am going back home, determined to be there - real, vulnerable and loving - for my family and community, however scary that might be.

I am posting this for others like me. Some of you might have a real calling for the monastic life, but maybe some seek refuge in meditation, only because outside is too tough to handle.

Are you sure you are not deceiving yourself, wannabe monk? Just like I was?

[SgtPepper]

There's plenty of skills that can be learned without a degree. (carpentry, plumbing, etc)

In addition, you can probably come back and teach meditation, yoga, provide spiritual guidance privately. Spend some time brainstorming.

[ajasatya]

12 hours ago, okulele said:

Are you sure you are not deceiving yourself, wannabe monk? Just like I was?

you weren't deceiving yourself. you had to do it in order to become conscious of your deepest feelings, which were hidden behind huge layers of conveniences.

i've been there. it's a beautiful story.

[Hellspeed]

The best way for a yogi life is to find a place in the countryside or nature. 

Following another system of spiritual groups will only diminish your growth. 

Take the example of Gautama if you are really ready for this. 

The breath will guide you faster in an alone situation.   

 

If you feel that you need people around, then you are not prepared.

I don't know.   

Edited September 18, 2018 by Hellspeed

[ajasatya]

55 minutes ago, Hellspeed said:

If you feel that you need people around, then you are not prepared.

I don't know. 

there's the phase of attachment to people and fear of loneliness.

then there's the phase of attachment to solitude and aversion to people.

then there's freedom from both.

[okulele]

1 hour ago, Hellspeed said:

The best way for a yogi life is to find a place in the countryside or nature. 

Following another system of spiritual groups will only diminish your growth. 

Take the example of Gautama if you are really ready for this. 

The breath will guide you faster in an alone situation.   

 

If you feel that you need people around, then you are not prepared.

I don't know.   

It's not really about needing other people around. It's about realizing that I am here to serve others. And now that I know my purpose, I must fulfill it. There is no other way.

[kieranperez]

On 9/17/2018 at 4:04 PM, okulele said:

Thank you for the suggestion, I read the book and it was one of the most inspiring reads in a while.

Yes! I’m so glad you read it ❤️

[Justincredible76]

@okulele im reading this thread and i realize our paths are nearly identical, all my friends and family say go to college and put myself in the system instead of pursuing enlightenment and meditating full time, but of course they would ¯\_(ツ)_/ ¯. I had some near awakening experiences on LSD but not quite. Im 18 fresh out of high school and my plan is to go live in a monastery or ashram or wherever the hell i can live for free and meditate for years or however long i feel is necessary. I havent done a whole lot of research into where i actually want to go yet because first i need to gather the finances to get there so ive been applying to jobs and admittedly dilly dallying alot. This thread is like a year old now so how are you doing on your path? Any new developments? Did you find out where you want to meditate at? If so where'd you go and why? What might be some good monasteries or ashrams for me to consider? 

[okulele]

@Justincredible76 Hi! Sounds like you are in a very similar position I was in not too long ago. A lot has changed for me since making this thread. I did not go to a monastery after all. I came back home to live with my parents. Very soon I experienced quite a shift in my consciousness and became much more still. I found a part time job and that way I could spend most of my time meditating and contemplating still.

Looking back I see that my wish to go to a monastery was a kind of cry for help. I was lonely, felt misunderstood and saw my only chance in some kind of final enlightenment that would help me transcend all this madness. Now I see that awakening is very possible while maintaining a semi-normal (:D) lifestyle and not escaping, like I wanted to. Of course, it has it's challenges at times, but that is all part of the process of learning to be awake in the world. I now see that awakening is not only for me, but also for my family, community and all others - that is why I am glad to be in public and be able to share the presence.

I am not saying don't do it, maybe the monastic path is for you? I don't know. I am just saying, consider it carefully. What is your real purpose behind that? It is possible to set up your life so that you can do it in public. Make a lot of time for sittings every day, plan a few day long retreats etc...

And...yes. I know it is quite hard, so hang in there. I guess you must be going through quite a bit of confusion, just like I was. Think about what enlightenment really is and why you want it

[Justincredible76]

@okulele so the reason i want enlightenment is to move as close to the truth as possible, and i was thinking the monastery would be the best way for me to accomplish that. Here are some options.

Each option requires i get enough money to fly out to a free monastery in the first place. I also have to figure out about health care or any other types of insurance dont i? Im not familiar with that. 

1. i stay at a monastery for a limited time, say a year or less but no more than two lets say. Itd give me a break from where i am now so i can come back in a great state of mind then get some affairs in order like become financially independent get a house car and all that.

2. I stay at a monastery for a long time, maybe a decade or just a real long time and explore deep into consciousness and enlightenment, then after that i come back and be financially independent. If i do that then id be basically putting everything behind for years, my family and friends included. My family would hate that option, but they hate all these options anyway. They want me in college but i say no to that because my only long term objective is to become an enlightened master, and financial independence comes after that i guess. 

3. I try to get my financial independence now before going off to a monastery, like getting my own house and such things. Then going for however long i want to a monastery and coming back and doing psychedelics on top of my monastery experience. No matter which option though, major psychedelic trips and experimentation come after financial independence. 

Honestly i dont know which options suit me best. I am deeply confused and its sort of a struggle. Currently i applied to a job i really like and i hope they hire me. I dont have much going for me right now except for my character and pursuit of enlightenment, but that takes me far enough. Not that i really need anything external, i just want to become an enlightened master, regardless of anything else, thats all i really want. I want this subject mastered for myself, and so i can raise the worlds consciousness; maybe by starting a practice of some sort. Now with that goal in mind i don't know what the best option is. 

[okulele]

@Justincredible76 Some thing that come to mind:

Psychedelics can be very helpful and, if you use them properly and are brave enough, you can possibly awaken even quicker than sitting in a monastery. Monasteries will not allow psychedelics.

Make sure you are not just unconsciously trying to escape because of the hardships of the bottom of Maslow's pyramid. From what I hear, you don't have the basics figured out.

If you go to a monastery, you must choose a good one, one that fits you. You must know what tradition you want to follow. You need to make sure that the people in charge are not some kind of abusive jerks...

What really helped me was talking with an enlightened master about all of this. She helped me see much more clearly what awakening is about, my own deceptions and so on. It's so easy to deceive yourself...

I hope some of this gives you a broader perspective still

[Justincredible76]

@okulele i think youre right saying psychedelics can get me there faster, i used to be able to get lsd but I cant anymore until i find a new person who can provide it. The main reason i wanted to go to a monastery was just so i have seclusion and i can stay focused, because when im at home there are a million different temptations and distractions that deter me off the path, and im attached to alot of these things to the point where my attachment pervades my deepest desire of mastery. 

One way i think i can tell that it really is my deepest desire is if i even say to myself “what if this path isnt for you?” My heart sinks and breaks instantly. But even so, i distract myself with other things and usually i enjoy the distractions too. That sorta leaves me in a bad spot for accomplishing mastery doesn't it? Most likely though i just need to find how to work around it and with it, but im really not sure how to do that fully. Either way all i can say i know for certain is that i want enlightened mastery. 

I can take psychs living with my parents but i probably couldn't get them delivered to my house. Id have to do it through a person somehow, but i have no car so its harder. I dont really know whats gonna get me the best results, going to a monastery ASAP or doing psychs for a while before going, or just not even bothering going for like a year at a time and maybe pursuing financial independence while intermittently working on mastery, then once i can afford my own place to live i can dive much deeper since i dont have to work around parents. They cant know about psychs. Would going to a monastery for a year be a waste of time because i cant use psychedelics? 

Thanks for talking with me about this i definitely need it  

[okulele]

13 hours ago, Justincredible76 said:

The main reason i wanted to go to a monastery was just so i have seclusion and i can stay focused, because when im at home there are a million different temptations and distractions that deter me off the path, and im attached to alot of these things to the point where my attachment pervades my deepest desire of mastery. 

Oh man, I know so well what you are talking about. That was basically the reason why I wanted to go. I didn't really want to become a monastic, I wanted to be rid of my bad habits and be able to focus on awakening.

Imagine... what if you somehow could get rid of your distractions, become really focused by yourself, maybe gain access to psychedelics, maybe find a job that would allow you to share your love and understanding and also would start you of on your journey of financial independence?

Isn't the real problem your bad habits? Isn't it so that you want to escape from them - from yourself - into a monastery? Come on man! Life is bringing you these for your greatest spiritual evolution. If you can solve these somehow and be able to focus totally on enlightened mastery even though there is porn and junk food and weed and video games around, that is real growth! Anyone can meditate in a monastery. The real challenge is to do it where you are.

 

I know it seems like I am talking you out of the ashram/monastery path. That's because I have seen in my own experience that I wanted to use it to run from my difficulties - which in fact were precisely the opportunities for awakening that I was searching for! Still, this might not apply to you, might be the monastery is your path.

Again, consider, if you could get rid of your bad habits and go full force in your desired direction, would you still go into a monastery? If not, maybe look into your issues and make short work of them

13 hours ago, Justincredible76 said:

i used to be able to get lsd but I cant anymore until i find a new person who can provide it.

Research chemicals are great and easy to get

Edited September 9, 2019 by okulele

[Justincredible76]

@okulele i dont know anything about research chemicals really, tell me all about them. Are they safe? How do i know theyre safe? Where can i find them? Maybe its better to talk about that stuff over dms bc its against the rules to talk about sourcing drugs here, but if theyre chemicals maybe its different? 

You bring up a really good point, i totally am running from an opportunity for growth... i had considered that before but that idea got pushed away long ago... so now the question is what am i gonna do about it? Recently the ego backlash has been worse than ever, i find myself too lazy to do basic tasks and indulging in entertainment much more than before. I broke my schedule i had (its a nocturnal schedule) because i hung out with a friend and i never got back on track. After the schedule broke it all fell apart and im not really meditating as much as i was. I have 5 tabs of lsd and i think im gonna take some soon, thinking about taking 3 and doing alot of intention setting and meditation beforehand. I was going to wait until i find someone who can get me thc so i can pair the two for a better trip, but i cant find anyone. What do you know about combining the two? 

[okulele]

17 hours ago, Justincredible76 said:

i dont know anything about research chemicals really, tell me all about them. Are they safe? How do i know theyre safe? Where can i find them? Maybe its better to talk about that stuff over dms bc its against the rules to talk about sourcing drugs here, but if theyre chemicals maybe its different? 

search ornline. RC are just drugs that were developed recently (mostly) and are not illegal (mostly). You can find online store selling them. 1P-LSD is easily available and is basically identical to LSD, in my experience. 5-MeO-DMT and DPT are some of the ones Leo mentions a lot - these are also available online. These stores ship to most countries, some are restricted though.

17 hours ago, Justincredible76 said:

You bring up a really good point, i totally am running from an opportunity for growth... i had considered that before but that idea got pushed away long ago... so now the question is what am i gonna do about it? Recently the ego backlash has been worse than ever, i find myself too lazy to do basic tasks and indulging in entertainment much more than before. I broke my schedule i had (its a nocturnal schedule) because i hung out with a friend and i never got back on track. After the schedule broke it all fell apart and im not really meditating as much as i was.

This is really funny. You are basically describing my life when I created this thread and wanted to go to a monastery. I had such a strong and consistent ego backlash, that all my progress was thwarted. I struggled a lot, tried it all... it was hell. Finally I somehow got through it with outside help - sessions with an awakened master. Maybe you could use a kind of therapy also? Someone could help you get out of this rut.

17 hours ago, Justincredible76 said:

I have 5 tabs of lsd and i think im gonna take some soon, thinking about taking 3 and doing alot of intention setting and meditation beforehand. I was going to wait until i find someone who can get me thc so i can pair the two for a better trip, but i cant find anyone. What do you know about combining the two? 

thc? You mean weed? I used to combine these quite a lot before I got into self-actualization. This was the time of my unconscious spirituality Weed will totally enhance it, greatly, but can also make it really really confusing and send you to some very weird places. It's a risk.

[Justincredible76]

On 9/10/2019 at 11:53 AM, okulele said:

thc? You mean weed? I used to combine these quite a lot before I got into self-actualization. This was the time of my unconscious spirituality Weed will totally enhance it, greatly, but can also make it really really confusing and send you to some very weird places. It's a risk.

With that said i ended up just using 3 tabs of LSD, i had a wonderfully confusing weird and epic trip. I believe i became conscious of how i create reality and my experience, but most of that stuff is too much for me to integrate currently. I was so out of it during the trip, i couldnt even understand what was going on around me. Things lost their context and became something new, it was very cool. I did some weird things too, but thats the name of the game. 

 

On 9/10/2019 at 11:53 AM, okulele said:

This is really funny. You are basically describing my life when I created this thread and wanted to go to a monastery. I had such a strong and consistent ego backlash, that all my progress was thwarted. I struggled a lot, tried it all... it was hell. Finally I somehow got through it with outside help - sessions with an awakened master. Maybe you could use a kind of therapy also? Someone could help you get out of this rut.

That would be wonderful to have a master to talk to. At this point, i think i just need to push myself a little. Im doing more meditation now but its a bit less formal. I used to move to a different seat to meditate, but i found that adding the extra step to move-brings about 10x more resistance than just staying put and meditating, so im having an easier time. But now i just need to find out what methods to use. I did a little bit of the neti neti method and will probably continue to throughout the day, and my friend showed me techniques of yoga such as pranayama and kriya supreme fire, but i havent done those as much. By the way, download whatsapp on ur phone and add the number i sent you over our DMs, well make a group chat w my friend :). Excited to make this group chat !

[flowboy]

I love how you guys are on a similar path, with one a few steps ahead, and able to share wisdom to actually help quicken the development and save some time.

Very fruitful topic, this one.

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