Does free will exist?

[InfinitePotential]

Maybe life is a dream, and just like how in a dream one can become lucid and gain some control over what happens (and more and more control with practice), in life one can awaken and better control what happens.

But just like in a dream you realize you are not the person in the dream, in life you realize you are not the person in your life.  So it is not the dream character in control but the higher consciousness in control of the entire dream/life itself.

 

Or maybe we're all just made up of tiny atom balls bouncing off each other and free will doesn't make sense in principle cause one would need to be able to bend the laws of physics to choose to do something contrary to what the rest of the universe would have one do.

[metwinn]

2 minutes ago, robdl said:

I would say that there is whole insight into all of this. It is then expressed through thought/language later.  These thoughts aren’t the actual thing but just a pointer. That is more like speaking through ego than from ego.

Yes I just worded it horribly perhaps because I'm tired.

[robdl]

If you’re speaking about your life history you are speaking from ego; speaking from the conditioned.

To have total insight and to point to it via thought is not quite the same. 

Edited June 29, 2018 by robdl

[metwinn]

2 minutes ago, robdl said:

If you’re speaking about your life history you are speaking from ego. 

To have total insight and to point to it via thought is not quite the same thing. 

It is still tampered with by ego non the less.

[robdl]

3 minutes ago, metwinn said:

It is still tampered with by ego non the less.

By the limitations/cultural conditioning of the particular language used for example; grammar/style of the language

Edited June 29, 2018 by robdl

[Faceless]

 

16 minutes ago, Anna1 said:

think he's saying you are speaking from being "identified" with ego/thoughts and that they are speaking from "observing" ego/thoughts in action, as a continues movement, when seeking psychological security.

Indeed mrs Anna 

[robdl]

So can it be said that the insight is whole, in the now.  

And then expressed fragmentally through the old (thought/language/knowledge) as a pointer?

Edited June 29, 2018 by robdl

[metwinn]

Just now, robdl said:

So can it be said that the insight is whole, in the now.  

And then expressed fragmentally through the old (thought/language) as a pointer?

I think you could say that yeah

[robdl]

5 minutes ago, metwinn said:

I think you could say that yeah

And having to express in dualities (fear-desire), (thought-self), etc.

[metwinn]

7 minutes ago, robdl said:

And having to express in dualities (fear-desire), (thought-self), etc.

Yes this is why truth is so hard

[Faceless]

41 minutes ago, robdl said:

So can it be said that the insight is whole, in the now.  

And then expressed fragmentally through the old (thought/language/knowledge) as a pointer?

Yes. 

If Thought being (experience, knowledge, memory) is observing then observation is fragmented, partial, not whole. 

Observation that is whole implies thought (assumptions, prejudices, conclusions from the past) are not in movement at the moment of observation. 

In that Observation, everything that thought has created is not observing. 

Only pure observation void of the thinker (the past) can see the whole. 

 

Edited June 29, 2018 by Faceless

[Neptune2020]

This is more new-agey but astrology says  that certain events happen at certain times and that most things are pre-determined. But is astrology BS, or a set of beliefs? This is for you to decide. ( To me, it is a more occult thing) I guess you have programming too. Honestly I don't know

Edited June 29, 2018 by Neptune2020

[Faceless]

16 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

When you get really advanced, you’ll forget about all this walking on eggshells and trying to arms-length the Ego.  That’s for beginners.  At the advanced stage, you’ll just naturally maintain keen awareness.  All this hyper-vigilance stuff goes down the toilet at the advanced stage.  I don’t even use the word ‘non-duality’ anymore — it’s just training-wheels for noobs.

Hyper-vigilance lol 

we are taking about awareness-pure observation. 

If you are not aware of that, your keen awareness is rather limited, narrow, selective and therefore finite. 

 

[Faceless]

1 minute ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Hehe.  You’re always trying to be the Enlightenment Police dude.  Why?  Why judge my attainment? 

I’m not talking about “enlightenment” my man. 

We were talking about observation free of thought. 

[Faceless]

26 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

When you get really advanced, you’ll forget about all this walking on eggshells and trying to arms-length the Ego.  That’s for beginners.  At the advanced stage, you’ll just naturally maintain keen awareness.  All this hyper-vigilance stuff goes down the toilet at the advanced stage.  I don’t even use the word ‘non-duality’ anymore — it’s just training-wheels for noobs.

Look what you write..

8 minutes ago, Faceless said:

Hyper-vigilance lol 

we are taking about awareness-pure observation. 

If you are not aware of that, your keen awareness is rather limited, narrow, selective and therefore finite. 

 

Look what I wrote. 

 

I didnt bring up enlightenment buddy. Only you do. 

[Faceless]

And we were not arguing. We were talking. Lol 

communication can be difficult

Edited June 29, 2018 by Faceless

[Victor Mgazi]

Conceptualization is not all bad. 

For a person who being introduced to spiritual awakening this is necessary. 

[metwinn]

6 hours ago, Mikael89 said:

 

 

Very well said