Does free will exist?

[robdl]

2 minutes ago, metwinn said:

I agree that most belief is made out of security or fear but not all of it. I do not believe what I am saying now because of fear of deminishment of ego or anything else for that matter, its just a belief.

If there's an 'I'/self who thinks they're saying it, it is, in fact, a movement of thought-self seeking security in its own movement, therefore a movement of fear.

Edited June 28, 2018 by robdl

[Faceless]

2 minutes ago, metwinn said:

I agree that most belief is made out of security or fear but not all of it. I do not believe what I am saying now because of fear of deminishment of ego or anything else for that matter, its just a belief.

Do you, or did you, seek enlightenment? 

[metwinn]

1 minute ago, Faceless said:

Do you, or did you, seek enlightenment? 

Of course

1 minute ago, robdl said:

If there's an 'I'/self who thinks they're saying it, it is, in fact, a movement of thought seeking security in its own movement, therefore a movement of fear.

Ok simply explain to me how a belief that the grass is green is one out of fear.

[robdl]

Just now, metwinn said:

Of course

Ok simply explain to me how a belief that the grass is green is one out of fear.

You may need to use a more apt analogy, for the reasons faceless pointed out. 

[Faceless]

5 minutes ago, robdl said:

If there's an 'I'/self who thinks they're saying it, it is, in fact, a movement of thought seeking security in its own movement, therefore a movement of fear.

Indeed, any movement away from what is (fact) is a movement of fear. Which implies the i ultimately sees itself as a real entity who is independent of thought. 

 

Edited June 28, 2018 by Faceless

[metwinn]

 

1 minute ago, robdl said:

You may need to use a more apt analogy, for the reasons faceless pointed out. 

I would agree with you if I used an apt analogy but im talking about any and all belief.

[Victor Mgazi]

9 minutes ago, metwinn said:

Not at all, if I believe that the banana is yellow that is not a belief of fear or security. If I believed it was purple it would be a belief of fear.

Knowing things to be true or false is an act of fear. 

 

[Faceless]

3 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

It’s not just thought.  It’s a system of thought-stories with an Ego corresponding to each person.  Replace Web of Belief with Web of Conceptual Systems.  The Paradigm of Belief is part of Tier-One Epistemology not Tier-Two Epistemology.  

all conceptual systems, ego, belief, epistemology, and so on is all the product of thought. 

[metwinn]

2 minutes ago, Victor Mgazi said:

Knowing things to be true or false is an act of fear. 

 

I didnt say know, I said believe. I still don't believe for certain, I just believe that I see it as that.

[Faceless]

Did you seek out enlightenment, god, truth? 

[metwinn]

1 minute ago, Faceless said:

Did you seek out enlightenment, god, truth? 

Still are yes

[Faceless]

4 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Correct, but do is everything you’re writing in this thread.  Trying to escape thought is like cutting off your nose to spite your face.  Ditto for trying to escape Ego.

Just communicating. Lol 

7 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

It’s more of a result of clinging to Tier-One Epistemology rather than of fear.

Clinging implies fear mr.joseph 

one and the same movement to bring about psychological permanence. 

Edited June 28, 2018 by Faceless

[Ananta]

9 minutes ago, Victor Mgazi said:

Knowing things to be true or false is an act of fear. 

 

Whaaattt? 

2+2=4

The earth is round

These are facts. There is no seeking psychological security gained. No fear.

..and maybe he didn't want to eat your purple banana, because bananas aren't purple and it wasn't appetizing.

Edited June 29, 2018 by Anna1

[robdl]

1 minute ago, metwinn said:

Still are yes

so thought-self believes they are unenlightened, and is therefore seeking enlightenment?  The "seeking" being a movement of desire, yes? A movement from-what-is?

[Faceless]

4 minutes ago, metwinn said:

Still are yes

Why do we we seek? 

Is it to escape what is? 

[metwinn]

1 minute ago, robdl said:

so thought-self believes they are unenlightened, and is therefore seeking enlightenment?  The "seeking" being a movement of desire, yes? A movement from-what-is?

Yes, your point?

[Victor Mgazi]

@metwinn you wouldn't eat the purple banana because you would believe that it's bad for you. 

Fear is essential for survival. Fear of anything (including sickness or death) 

You seek enlightenment because you believe it's good for you. 

The ego's prime function is for the body - mind's well being. 

[Faceless]

 

3 minutes ago, robdl said:

so thought-self believes they are unenlightened, and is therefore seeking enlightenment?  The "seeking" being a movement of desire, yes? A movement from-what-is?

Action influenced by the false notion of an i seeking permanence. 

[metwinn]

2 minutes ago, Faceless said:

Why do we we seek? 

Is it to escape what is? 

Yes, I understand this well, what is your point.

[metwinn]

2 minutes ago, Victor Mgazi said:

@metwinn you wouldn't eat the purple banana because you would believe that it's bad for you. 

Fear is essential for survival. Fear of anything (including sickness or death) 

You seek enlightenment because you believe it's good for you. 

The ego's prime function is for the body - mind's well being. 

Yes, but again, im talking about all belief. The belief that 2+2=4 is not good for my egos self worth or my well being.