Does free will exist?

[Faceless]

1 minute ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Yeah, but terminology matters when you want your conceptual systems to be useful.

I know, but we just have to agree on word meanings and usage. People may use words differently. 

[Victor Mgazi]

@Faceless security?

[Faceless]

6 minutes ago, Victor Mgazi said:

@Faceless security?

?

psychological security indeed 

[metwinn]

@Faceless How does believing the grass is green give one a sense of security.

[Faceless]

3 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Correct.  Each Perspective has a unique Conceptual Understanding — like a fingerprint.

But is that my conceptual understanding, or just “conceptual understanding” as in thought. 

Ate your thoughts, “conceptual understandings” yours? 

Edited June 28, 2018 by Faceless

[metwinn]

Just now, Faceless said:

But is that there conceptual understanding, or just “conceptual understanding” as in thought. 

Ate your thoughts, “conceptual understandings” yours? 

Yes but I don't see how this means that I hold this belief because im afraid.

[Victor Mgazi]

@metwinn If someone handed you over a purple banana would you eat it? 

[metwinn]

2 minutes ago, Victor Mgazi said:

@metwinn If someone handed you over a purple banana would you eat it? 

No, whats your point?

[Faceless]

9 minutes ago, metwinn said:

@Faceless How does believing the grass is green give one a sense of security.

You don’t have to believe that. It’s green. It’s a relative fact. The sun comes out every day. No belief required. 

I’m talking about the believe that we seek psychological security i. Santa clause, that we will go to heaven by accepting Jesus into our hearts. Lol 

Psychological becoming or unbecoming. 

Edited June 28, 2018 by Faceless

[metwinn]

1 minute ago, Faceless said:

You don’t have to believe that. It’s green. It’s a relative fact. The sun comes out every day. No belief required. 

I’m talking about the believe that we seek psychological security in 

 

Why must you seek psychological security in what I asked you?

[Faceless]

2 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

A Conceptual Understanding is a complex adaptive system with an Ego that is associated with each Perspective.

What do you mean with an ego? 

[robdl]

There are beliefs that are a reaction out of overt fear.   To fear death, to fear the randomness/chaos of the world, therefore to believe in God, etc.

But there are beliefs that are a reaction out of more subtle fear -- this "security seeking" quality.  To believe in a particular political ideology -- liberalism, communism, etc. -- for example.  To have beliefs about the type of person one is, and beliefs about others.  To have social beliefs, and so on.  Beliefs are made out of knowledge/the known, and thought seeks security in the known.  Thought seeking security in thought; in its own movement.  Beliefs are just one manifestation of that mechanism of thought-self perpetuating.

[metwinn]

@robdl Even what you just said is a belief. Does that then mean that that was out of security?

[Faceless]

@metwinn

2 minutes ago, robdl said:

There are beliefs that are a reaction out of overt fear.   To fear death, to fear the randomness/chaos of the world, therefore to believe in God, etc.

But there are beliefs that are a reaction out of more subtle fear -- this "security seeking" quality.  To believe in a particular political ideology -- liberalism, communism, etc. -- for example.  To have beliefs about the type of person one is, and beliefs about others.  To have social beliefs, and so on.  Beliefs are made out of knowledge/the known, and thought seeks security in the known.  Thought seeking security in thought; in its own movement.  Beliefs are just one manifestation of that mechanism of thought-self perpetuating.

You said mr. 

[Victor Mgazi]

7 minutes ago, metwinn said:

No, whats your point?

The answer is in the reason you would probably choose not to eat it. 

Fear 

[robdl]

Just now, metwinn said:

@robdl Even what you just said is a belief. Does that then mean that that was out of security?

There is whole insight into movement of thought-self, which is in a perpetual state of seeking security in its own movement.  Whether this be through seeking security in belief, knowledge, idea, etc.    To see this whole movement of thought and its nature is fact.

[Faceless]

2 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Every complex adaptive system has an Ego, a desire to preserve and protect itself, and a certain ‘mind of its own’ quality, including how it prefers to grow and evolve. 

So you mean Thought. 

The Mechanical and Fragmentated nature of thought. 

[metwinn]

2 minutes ago, Victor Mgazi said:

The answer is in the reason you would probably choose not to eat it. 

Fear 

Not at all, if I believe that the banana is yellow that is not a belief of fear or security. If I believed it was purple it would be a belief of fear.

[metwinn]

3 minutes ago, robdl said:

There is whole insight into movement of thought-self, which is in a perpetual state of seeking security in its own movement.  Whether this be through seeking security in belief, knowledge, idea, etc.    To see this whole movement of thought and its nature is fact.

I agree that most belief is made out of security or fear but not all of it. I do not believe what I am saying now because of fear of deminishment of ego or anything else for that matter, its just a belief.

[Faceless]

3 minutes ago, robdl said:

There is whole insight into movement of thought-self, which is in a perpetual state of seeking security in its own movement.  Whether this be through seeking security in belief, knowledge, idea, etc.    To see this whole movement of thought and its nature is fact.

Fact indeed. Thought is not seeking security in that insight any longer. Thought is then whole. Not influenced by fear. 

Thought believes because it seeks security. So then comes illusion.