Spiral Dynamics Stage Orange Examples Mega-Thread

[Ethan1]

On 1/24/2021 at 4:26 AM, Raphael said:

This one is orange. It's all about the self, individuality, and personal responsibility.

Nah... I'd argue that the first pillar is pretty higher than orange.. Talks about consciousness a bit and asking questions to be more conscious/self-aware. 

I read that book a few weeks ago. 

In some context it is orange from a shallow perspective but for the most part this is deeper. Depends on the perspective of the reader and other prior knowledge to see the depth of this book. 

[Ethan1]

Speak of children with shotguns...

This is about green making fun of orange ideas. 

Orange ideal world view. 

 

[Raphael]

36 minutes ago, Ethan1 said:

Nah... I'd argue that the first pillar is pretty higher than orange.. Talks about consciousness a bit and asking questions to be more conscious/self-aware. 

I read that book a few weeks ago. 

In some context it is orange from a shallow perspective but for the most part this is deeper. Depends on the perspective of the reader and other prior knowledge to see the depth of this book. 

I finished reading it for the second time two days ago. It cannot be only orange, and it is not, it also has elements of blue and green in it, but it is still mostly orange.

The terms consciousness, self-acceptance, self-responsibility, self-assertiveness, purpose, and integrity exists at almost all stages (maybe not below blue), but are interpreted differently depending on the spiral development of the individual.

The book also contains critics of statements such as: "The mind is powerless to know reality as it really is; ultimately, mind is impotent", "The senses are unreliable and untrustworthy; everything is an illusion", "Principles of logic are mere conventions". Some of the critics do have some kernels of true, but when the author make these critics he is not aware that there is something beyond to mind to integrate.

[AtheisticNonduality]

 

[Leo Gura]

This is about as "evil" as Orange gets:

If you read his book you will also notice that he started out as a stage Blue straight-laced Protestant. Then went toxic Orange. Now evolved into Green.

[Raphael]

 

[PhilGR]

@Dragon Liege I  cannot put him as orange , he has a lot of yellow values. The egoism he provokes its not the bad term of egoistic character who does't give a damn about humanity. I believe his points are very deep and is very easy to paraphrase him or demonize him about being egoistic. For me is a lot of yellow. 

[Blackbeat]

Hm hm hmm

[AtheisticNonduality]

On 1/28/2021 at 7:57 AM, Blackbeat said:

Hm hm hmm

No, she = Green at the very least.

[Leo Gura]

Toxic Orange:

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/01/memo-how-to-hide-money-offshore/

[AtheisticNonduality]

 

[Raphael]

 

[Evil Raccoon]

3 hours ago, Megan Alecia said:

noticeably more rigid than yellow

Yellow is rigid?

[Leo Gura]

4 hours ago, Megan Alecia said:

Prototypical orange (noticeably more rigid than yellow).

Funny enough he practices Transcendental Meditation and funds it.

[Hello from Russia]

4 hours ago, Megan Alecia said:

Prototypical orange (noticeably more rigid than yellow).

What orange did you find here? He is as yellow as it gets in business and he is super fluid intellectually

Edited January 30, 2021 by Hello from Russia

[Megan Alecia]

@Hello from Russia he doesn't use the data to interconnect anything, talks about weaknesses/strengths management stuff. Rationalist (he has a video titled holy grail which purely talks about business strategy stuff. 

This is yellow. So is chomsky

Edited January 30, 2021 by Megan Alecia

[Megan Alecia]

@Evil Raccoon Maybe this is just me but I think if you're yellow you're not quite "there" yet. Guys like Jung and McKenna and Chomsky had their own little biases... while someone like Alan Watts, who I can confidently call Turquoise had a more relaxed vibe to him. No longer "on a mission" (at least consciousness-wise).

Edited January 30, 2021 by Megan Alecia

[Hello from Russia]

@Megan Alecia talking about business strategy doesn't automatically peg him into orange, it's just his occupation, what else he'd talk about? 

The point is how he talks about it. And his views on business, economics, politics, society, leadership I found yellow as fuck. Especially leadership and how he manages his company. 

He talks about management so much because his company makes management educational courses and what they teach is very yellow and cutting edge stuff as management goes

Yes, he doesn't use plain data as his #1 tool which is actually what distinguishes him further from orange. The guy is way more intuitive. 

His emphasis on values and life purpose (he calls it mission) in employees is also very yellow approach. His whole management approach is super yellow. It looks like a very flattened democracy. He also emphasizes radical honesty, transparency and epistemology both in his teachings and in his company. And he is actually acting as an example. 

This guy is one of the most developed guys in the business world, he is clearly not orange. And running a business corporation doesn't automatically equate a person with being an orange, that's just wrong. What is more true is that business at each stage has certain distinct qualities, in other words, is done in different ways. And this guy clearly shows how a stage yellow person would run the corporation

Also, rationality exists at different stages. Peter Ralston, for example, is a huge master in rationality we could say, but we probably wouldn't put this guy at orange. Or even yellow, for that matter. Because the way he uses it is very different

Edited January 31, 2021 by Hello from Russia

[Megan Alecia]

@Hello from Russia

You're likely right. 

Dude's woke. 

[Hello from Russia]

@Megan Alecia his book "Principles" Is amazing. Hands down the best business book I've ever read. This guy really deserves his billions of $$ with how he navigates through stuff epistemologically. 

And his leadership/management stuff is very inspiring as well, I found may things I'll probably try to implement iemploye in my own businesses once I start getting some employees

 

Edited January 31, 2021 by Hello from Russia