Spiral Dynamics Stage Orange Examples Mega-Thread

[Rilles]

3 hours ago, Preety_India said:

I never understood why people demonize Blue. 

We're here because of Blue right? 

Blue is so damn rigid, thats the gift and the curse. It strips you of freedom so it can save you from the chaos of Red. Kind of like how Feudalism saved you from barbarism, but you had to adhere to one religion, one king, one job for life and that was it, but was it worth it as long as you didnt get killed by a savage Mongol invader? Its hard for us to imagine how ruthless life is without the Blue foundation.

Edited January 24, 2021 by Rilles

[Preety_India]

@Rilles you're looking at it with a narrow perspective.

Blue is what creates law enforcement and ethics system.. 

Your life depends on it. 

No other stage can exist without Blue. It's the foundational stage. 

You can't be Green without Blue nor can you be Turquoise. 

 

[Rilles]

2 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

@Rilles you're looking at it with a narrow perspective.

Blue is what creates law enforcement and ethics system.. 

Your life depends on it. 

No other stage can exist without Blue. It's the foundational stage. 

You can't be Green without Blue nor can you be Turquoise. 

 

I dont think you properly read what I wrote, I didnt badmouth Blue. 

[Preety_India]

@Rilles yea I get the bad parts of blue 

It's reiterated more often than not. 

[Superfluo]

@Preety_India

Blue is not generally openminded, so it attacks everything that is different from the status quo and the main thought system. Kids are the exact opposite of following enstablished rules. So you can understand where this thing is going. But also, it's a lot deeper than that. It's not just like kids are rebels. They get molded by stage blue parents with lack of independent thinking, closed-mindedness, abuses in some cases, fear, guilt, etc. Obviously that's the Stage Blue shadow. There's also healthy stage blue. But since stage blue is not particularly cognitively evolved, it's not aware of its shadow and doesn't bother to look at it because of many layers preventing to do so: a stage blue person has internalized the lessons he/she received from parents, and the cycle goes on and on. Stage blue cognitive level keeps you locked in blue. This is why stage blue is still strong.

[Preety_India]

@Superfluo all those things I already know. 

Like I said I know the bad parts. I've been living in stage Blue system for years 

But without Blue there was no rule and no foundation 

[Raphael]

13 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

That's actually a stage Blue book. And great stuff!

Interesting. Is it because beliefs and faith are used similarly than in religions? I remember the Self Confidence formula that looked like a prayer.

[Raphael]

This one is orange. It's all about the self, individuality, and personal responsibility.

[Evil Raccoon]

12 hours ago, Striving for more said:

@Leo Gura I'm reading think & grow rich & I think this book is more stage yellow / turquoise

It's talks a lot about spiritual concepts, visualization, energy & the power of faith. 

I'd qualify that one more as an Orange/Green book.

Don't confuse Green's spiritual/woo-woo/New-Age concepts with Turquoise.

12 hours ago, Striving for more said:

I'm going to permanently avoid spiral dynamics as I find it is too toxic & lumps unique things & people into categories. I don't like it. 

Why? It's stupid af.

Of course, the map's not the territory and it's just a model.But it's a pretty damn accurate model that can imo really change the world.

The people behind that shit dedicated their WHOLE fucking lives to put that information out there.Years of research and shit.So don't take it for granted.

12 hours ago, Striving for more said:

Hearing that a great book is "stage blue" just makes me feel guilty about reading it. 

I feel ya, no one dislikes Blue more that I do bro.But the thing is that every stage is necessary/has valuable elements to it and Blue is not an exemption.The lessons of each stage gets integrated into the next one.

So without Blue there's no Orange, Green, Yellow etc.

Edited January 24, 2021 by Evil Raccoon

[Evil Raccoon]

10 hours ago, Preety_India said:

I never understood why people demonize Blue. 

Because Blue is too uptight and conformist and from an Orange (and beyond) perspective it's annoying af.

[Preety_India]

@Evil Raccoon don't overlook positive aspects of Blue though 

 

[Evil Raccoon]

10 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

@Evil Raccoon don't overlook positive aspects of Blue though 

Don't be too avoidant of Orange though

[Preety_India]

Just now, Evil Raccoon said:

Don't be too avoidant of Orange though

I've been Orange all my life. Now I'm Green. 

 

[Evil Raccoon]

8 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

I've been Orange all my life. Now I'm Green. 

Awesome!

I personally think I might be more Green in future but I definitely won't make it to Tier 2 in this lifetime.I'm just not ready for that.

Right now I'm all about Orange.Maybe I'm pyshisiologically doomed to be that way? 

[Nivsch]

7 hours ago, Evil Raccoon said:

Awesome!

I personally think I might be more Green in future but I definitely won't make it to Tier 2 in this lifetime.I'm just not ready for that.

Right now I'm all about Orange.Maybe I'm pyshisiologically doomed to be that way? 

How old are you? Why do you think you cant move up?

[Evil Raccoon]

11 hours ago, Nivsch said:

How old are you? Why do you think you cant move up?

I'm 25.

Because I honestly don't want to.I don't see the point of it.I don't feel the need to do it.

Had no idea what I was getting myself into when I started that whole self-actualization stuff, thought it was just ordinary self-help.

+ Letting go of my material attachements is too much of a pain in the ass.

[Carl-Richard]

29 minutes ago, Evil Raccoon said:

Letting go of my material attachements is too much of a pain in the ass.

But you will die so that will happen anyway  

[Evil Raccoon]

12 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

But you will die so that will happen anyway  

Right now I'm alive.

[Carl-Richard]

7 minutes ago, Evil Raccoon said:

Right now I'm alive.

Accepting death in the moment is both the ultimate short-term and long-term solution for your life. You remove all fear both from the present moment and the last moment of your life

[Loving Radiance]

2 hours ago, Evil Raccoon said:

I'm 25.

Because I honestly don't want to.I don't see the point of it.I don't feel the need to do it.

Bro, just stay on the path and you will move up sooner or later. You don't have to push yourself, it just comes naturally. No need to think about what is in yellow or turquoise. Feel into yourself what you want, where you feel drawn to - that is what you do right now.

That being said, ime introspection in daily contemplation through journaling and daily meditation bring you to 2nd tier. Oh, psychedelics are also good.

Edited January 25, 2021 by Loving Radiance