Have We Been Getting Too Caught Up In Color Signatures?

[stevegan928]

I've been caught up in it as well but I find it difficult to take the model seriously once I start arguing about it. It's funny really.   

[Leo Gura]

It's just a consequence of releasing these Spiral videos. After the series is over, it will pass and we will move on to other stuff.

It's not possible to teach Spiral Dynamics to this audience without all this hoopla.

At the end of the series, I'm gonna tell you:

"Now, drop all of Spiral Dynamics. It isn't true."

[Baldmunt]

This is a thing i've thought about a lot. We humans are very good in labeling things. Such as we do with Spyral Dynamics and all kinds of theories. "The map is not the territory" fits in here very well. 

At first, when i had a overlook at the spiral dynamics without the examples leo talks about in his video's i thought: "I'm not blue/I'm not orange" untill i got deeper and deeper in this theory and i've found out i'm more orange than i've ever thought. Especially my unconscious actions and thoughts are very orange-based. 

Another thing i've thought about is that people somehow values stage 'green, yellow and turquoise' as 'better than lower' psychees. Isn't that also something that comes along with the thinking of 'orange' in becoming better than other persons in some kind of way? 

[Leo Gura]

9 hours ago, Baldmunt said:

Another thing i've thought about is that people somehow values stage 'green, yellow and turquoise' as 'better than lower' psychees. Isn't that also something that comes along with the thinking of 'orange' in becoming better than other persons in some kind of way?

That tendency is very hard to overcome. The ego judges "high consciousness" as "better than" low consciousness. This is of course false. A truly conscious person knows that consciousness is not better than unconsciousness. All is one. There is no better or worse. Those are all relative judgments of the ego, which are very difficult to surrender in total.

[Charlotte]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

A truly conscious person knows that consciousness is not better than unconsciousness. All it one. There is no better or worse. Those are all relative judgments of the ego, which are very difficult to surrender in total.

+1

 

I wish people would, save many arguments on here. I've read some of the comments thinking "Daaaaaamn" these people supposed to be self actualising? It's all mental masterbation with some of the people on here lately, they need to chill ?

[White]

21 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That tendency is very hard to overcome. The ego judges "high consciousness" as "better than" low consciousness. This is of course false. A truly conscious person knows that consciousness is not better than unconsciousness. All it one. There is no better or worse. Those are all relative judgments of the ego, which are very difficult to surrender in total.

Green. That's what green IS. Green isn't a hippie, green is what you think enlightenment is..cant you actually make these connections in your mind?  You are talking about the green meme not liberation. 

 

Edited June 24, 2018 by White

[White]

Leo why do you keep censoring things and then in the next sentence say all perspectives are equal? 

Self awareness level 0

[MarkusSweden]

15 minutes ago, Outer said:

Hmm...

 

Maybe it's a little bit the same as with ego. Prior having an ego you don't have nondual understanding. By develop one and later transcend it you come to that understanding/realisation

Perhaps you can gain something out of it if you adopt and understand spiral dynamics almost as if it's more Then a model, like it has an absolute reality to it. And Then you transcend it all, just as we do with the ego. 

I think that what Leo meant with his comment? 

 

Edited June 24, 2018 by MarkusSweden

[White]

25 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That tendency is very hard to overcome. The ego judges "high consciousness" as "better than" low consciousness. This is of course false. A truly conscious person knows that consciousness is not better than unconsciousness. All it one. There is no better or worse. Those are all relative judgments of the ego, which are very difficult to surrender in total.

This is nothing but postmodern deconstructionism masquerading as liberation. When you get there you will see how much suffering you are causing. I thought you were an integral thinker? You're just blue aren't you? Botching your way through development. 

[lmfao]

@stevegan928 I would say that it's only a vocal minority of people on this forum who are "misusing Spiral Dynamics". 

[Brittany]

Yeah. It's our egos. I keep moving in and out of deep states of consciousness and back into ego. And repeat. 

Edited June 24, 2018 by Brittany

[stevegan928]

@lmfao one could make the argument that there is no right way to use the model and using the model at all comes from deep ignorance and misunderstanding. 

[stevegan928]

2 hours ago, White said:

This is nothing but postmodern deconstructionism masquerading as liberation. When you get there you will see how much suffering you are causing. I thought you were an integral thinker? You're just blue aren't you? Botching your way through development. 

You'll probably shit on me for saying this but I think post-structuralist thought would serve as useful to you... Or maybe not. 

[Onecirrus]

I'm glad spiral dynamics is being discussed. I had no guidance when transitioning from blue to orange as a teen and was very lost, confused, depressed, and scared. Now I have much more understanding of that time and can continue to have deeper insights about myself and my world view.