What Are Examples Of Stage Yellow People?

[stevegan928]

Edited June 23, 2018 by stevegan928

[John Iverson]

Wait for next next next week, ? We will get there..  relax.. you must focus on blue first

[stevegan928]

@Joseph Maynor what level you think Joe's at? I actually think that ones pretty easy, he's pretty much 50/50 orange and green, rarely advancing to yellow or regressing to blue, just a constant battle between his manly cage fight commentator self, and his positive thinking psychonaut self. 

[stevegan928]

@Joseph Maynor i don't mean to brag or anything but I've actually probably listened to more JRE than anyone on this forum. I know he's very emotionally attached to certain ideas.  

[d0ornokey]

hes ideological about the gender debate

as i understand, gender fluid is actually a thing. but it goes much deeper than that

[tsuki]

@stevegan928 The person you're trying to type as yellow is not the same person @Joseph Maynor speaks about. Both of you have a perspective of JRE and you are expressing this perspective's color. This assessment is informed by your understanding of spiral dynamics, so you are actually both talking about yourselves.

Turquoise is a network of perspectives not by acquisition, but by recognition. Can you see that, @Joseph Maynor ?

[stevegan928]

49 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Really?  If that’s the case he may be more like Green-Yellow.  I don’t know, we’re all emotionally attached to ideas aren’t we?  That’s part of what having an Ego means. I don’t really get the sense that Joe is ideological.  I think I’m gonna stick with Yellow for Joe.

Maybe he has yellow, one common criticism of him is his seemingly radical centrism. I've listened to so much JRE I can basically have conversations with him in my head when I'm bored. I'm a bit of a nut case.  

[stevegan928]

1 minute ago, Joseph Maynor said:

What makes you think that he’s not Yellow?

Criticism of veganism mostly, makes me think he hasn't fully integrated green, but he shares similar ideological positions against alternative healing and conspiracy theories. He seems very locked in the logical positivist paradigm. I don't wanna just sit here and judge the guy though I'd say I'm at the same stage as him, we just differ in ideologies.    

[MarkusSweden]

56 minutes ago, tsuki said:

@Joseph Maynor

Turquoise is a network of perspectives 

@tsuki Bob Dylan says..

"Reality has too many heads"

"all the truth in the world add up to one big lie"

Are these quotes turquoise?

Edited June 23, 2018 by MarkusSweden

[tsuki]

18 minutes ago, MarkusSweden said:

Are these quotes turquoise?

There is no way to tell which color any person is.
By saying which color these quotes are, I express my understanding of spiral dynamics.
Talking about others is an expression of your self. It is impossible to meaningfully say anything about anyone apart from yourself.
Describing others is describing yourself. Can you see that?
It is a non-ideological benevolence. Benevolence, not for the sake of anything else and not an existential assumption.

Having said that, I'm going to judge those quotes.
They are very reminiscent of the turquoise quotes on the spiral dynamics website.
However, they express a longing, or nostalgia for the days in which Dylan thought that the world is simpler. When he believed in things (lies).
I know that Dylan inspires you Markus. Aren't you absorbing his nostalgia with those quotes? Or perhaps, you're being drawn to him because of it?

[tsuki]

10 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Green wants to convert the world to its ideology.

Aren't all even stages like that? Blue, Green, Turquoise?
Ideology has a different meaning for all people, mind you.
Turquoise ideology is not something for the sake of something else, like in case of Green for example.

[tsuki]

5 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Yellow and Turquoise are more intuitive than ideological.

True. That is the difference between tier one and two.
In case of Turquoise however, intuition and ideology mix forming something else.
Calling this something by a different name is not particularly useful, so I still call it an ideology.

Can you see how all even stages are similar with respect to ideology? Tier two ideology is a completely different from tier one.
It is a necessarily benevolent ideology. Benevolence is not because of the ideology, but it is it's cause and effect at the same time.

Can you see what I mean?

[tsuki]

@Joseph Maynor In other words, Turquoise sees the network within himself and harmonizing the network is harmonizing the self.
There is no clash between the society and the self, unlike for example in green. The green's standard of harmonization requires an equilibrium between the society and an individual. For turquoise, it is not a matter of equilibrium of opposing forces, but a synergy. It is a positive feedback loop.

[White]

@stevegan928 Joe Rogan is orange

[stevegan928]

1 hour ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I don’t think you need to be a vegan to integrate Green.  Green gives itself away by its ideological mentality.  Green wants to convert the world to its ideology.

You don't have to be vegan but it seems like he actively attacks veganism. It could just be me projecting however.  

[Rilles]

@White isnt he orange/GREEN though, orange wouldnt be so open to all the hippie-ish stuff that he is

[White]

@Rilles he might be embracing all kinds of hippie stuff, I only listen to his chats with Rhonda Patrick and he's not very critical of mainstream science: that tells me a lot. ORANGE and probably flirting with some green ideas. But he's definately not blue. No way is he yellow.

[stevegan928]

Maybe it's common for artists to be at stage yellow. I actually wonder if Death Grips boarders on turquoise.  

 

Edited June 23, 2018 by stevegan928

[White]

2 hours ago, tsuki said:

Aren't all even stages like that? Blue, Green, Turquoise?
Ideology has a different meaning for all people, mind you.
Turquoise ideology is not something for the sake of something else, like in case of Green for example.

Yes yellow does still have a need to convert people. But it does it more intelligently by adjusting to the fact that red, blue, orange and green need to inhabit their stages fully for them to be healthy and useful for society, but ultimatley yellow wants to pull evetyone else upto yellow. Turquoise sees the limitation in even getting people to change at all. 

[White]

@stevegan928 you're not projecting. Joe sees veganism as an ideological cult (which it is). Joe understands that veganism is not science based but is using science to back a propaganda campaign. However his own ketogenic diet isn't science based either.  Joe again uses science to justify his own dietary preferences. Vegans see right through that of course. Joe and the vegan community project the same shadow on to each other. Veganism is not green, it's a mix of orange and unhealthy green ideas. But it's not true green - green thinks that all perspectives are equal because all perspectives are relative, therefore no position need be defended, therefore all hierarchies are false. The performative contradiction of green is that it DOES NOT SEE that it's own worldview is a perspective and that it places itself at the top of a hierarchy. Green is the biggest hypocrite in town 

Edited June 23, 2018 by White