Spiral Dynamics Stage Blue Examples Mega-Thread

[Leo Gura]

54 minutes ago, Matt23 said:

Wasn't Buttigieg involved in some pretty unethical, racist, and illegal dealings with getting the police department in his hometown to be all white cops?

That's one way to look at it. But are you really sure that's the proper way to look at it? Where did you get this perspective? From TYT? And you just blindly accept it as unbiased?

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If so, this kinda baffles me if he's also gay...  I'm imagining, if he's racist and involved with those types of people and going to those extremes (I think TYT did a report on the scams/fraud or whatever it was) for racist values, I just don't see how he could be openly gay in that environment and have supporters.

Calling him a racist is pretty silly.

Racism is a complex and nuanced issue. There is personal racism and systemic racism, which is much more subtle. Someone can have no personally racists attitude and yet still be part of upholding a systemically racist institution for many complex reasons, chiefly, his own survival.

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I guess I see the gay identity and racist identity as not being compatible... yeah, within his person I could see it, but socially?  ... I dunno.

He's not some open racist. You're saying it as though he's a KKK member. This is absurd.

The accusation is that he inappropriately fired a black police chief due to political influence. But even this requires serious proof. There are many reasons why he could have fired him. Maybe you should listen to Pete's version of the story before jumping to conclusions.

One can have biases and blindspots without being explicitly racist. In fact, most of us have such biases. If I put you into a position where you had to fire a black police chief to feed your family, you'd probably do it without blinking an eye. And you would never ever consider yourself a racist for doing so.

Of course being gay does not automatically make one a champion for African American rights or justice. Mostly likely Pete just grew up in a white bubble where African American rights were not even a topic of conversation or concern. He would have to go out of his way to care about that.

I grew up in such a white and affluent part of the US that I didn't even know racism was a thing until well after college. When you live in a great part of the country, you don't even know what injustice is. The notion that a cop would treat a black person different than a white person was impossible to even imagine where I grew up. It would be like worrying about people eating dogs.

[Matt23]

@Leo GuraI guess I heard some stuff from TYT and what they portrayed, or how I saw it, was that he was sort of in that kind of crowd...  Southern states, municipal government and police trying to get rid of black cops...  

I think my image of being gay is also causing me confusion.  He's gay, so I associate that with being more liberal and open minded.  Then that whole "southern/racist/kkk" image is connected with that which turned my head for a loop.

For me, it's like finding an elephant eating a zebra alongside a bunch of lions after a kill...  does not compute.  

Edited February 6, 2020 by Matt23

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, Matt23 said:

He's gay, so I associate that with being more liberal and open minded.

Everything is relative.

Pete is far more liberal and openminded than the average person in the country, and certainly the South.

But is he as liberal as TYT hosts who love to bash him? No

Pete is a moderately liberal guy which is decent for someone from the Mid West. He's not from San Francisco.

[Leo Gura]

13 minutes ago, Matt23 said:

For me, it's like finding an elephant eating a zebra alongside a bunch of lions after a kill...  does not compute.

That's why you must be careful with your stereotypes and categories.

For some people, the idea of a smart black man also does not compute. Which is the very source of racism.

An overly simplistic mind is a dangerous and ugly thing.

The devil you see in others is the devil inside your self.

[Matt23]

Yeah... seems like it...  

I think I'm seeing I'd like more experiences with different sorts of people... Like I've maybe been "cooped up".

Like this really turned many of my categories (particularly relating to people) for a loop...  "Huh... maybe people aren't this way or that... maybe people are a lot more complex than I first realized."

Like it somehow made me see my bigger generalizations and "invited" me to start considering making finer and more individual, and contextual distinctions.  

Cheers.

[Jameskells]

[Leo Gura]

Healthy stage Blue integrity and morality:

 

[Time Boy]

Rick Perry political ad. Can you get more blue than this?

 

[Rasheed]

Stage Blue Rap Song

 

[Virgo]

Hello guys. I have this question about stage Blue. So I know someone from my country who's an Imam, so fully 100% Muslim, and he gives lectures every Friday and prays 5times a day. 4-5 years ago he with some other ppl appeared on a TV channel, and he created this foundation in need of homeless or poor ppl, or ppl with severe health issues that need treatment outside the country. He has over 700k IG followers, everyone follows him even non religious ppl, and his motto is "ALBANIA FOR ALBANIAS" In all of this helping he does not teach Islamic ideology, just on Friday in the mosque and in his IG. So is this guy BLUE,ORANGE,GREEN at the same time? 

[Derek White]

10 hours ago, Virgo said:

Hello guys. I have this question about stage Blue. So I know someone from my country who's an Imam, so fully 100% Muslim, and he gives lectures every Friday and prays 5times a day. 4-5 years ago he with some other ppl appeared on a TV channel, and he created this foundation in need of homeless or poor ppl, or ppl with severe health issues that need treatment outside the country. He has over 700k IG followers, everyone follows him even non religious ppl, and his motto is "ALBANIA FOR ALBANIAS" In all of this helping he does not teach Islamic ideology, just on Friday in the mosque and in his IG. So is this guy BLUE,ORANGE,GREEN at the same time? 

Blue. Blue is not bad. Blue people help others, but for very different reasons than other stages.

[Thewritersunion]

Blue reacts to this stage ? ? 

 

[tenta]

https://www.redstate.com/alexparker/2020/02/05/what-sorcery-is-this-chris-pratt-announces-his-production-company-to-create-entertainment-as-one-nation-under-god-indivisible/

Yet if someone said "one race under god" nobody would believe it's inclusive.

Edited February 12, 2020 by tenta

[Thewritersunion]

@tenta business that is made out of reaction instead of progress. Oh boy 

[Focus Shift]

 

The "Groyper War" was an interesting phenomena because here we have an example of stage blue and stage orange clashing within the broader conservative movement. 

Edited February 13, 2020 by Focus Shift

[tenta]

The comment section is also stage blue, strawmaning, nonsense, hate etc. will make both sides more aggressive and could lead to a big backlash if Trump wins in 2020

Edited February 17, 2020 by tenta

[Apparition of Jack]

@tenta  Why do you watch such nonsense?

[Focus Shift]

Great example of Blue vs. Green. Leary just trolls the shit out of this guy lol 

[tenta]

22 hours ago, Apparition of Jack said:

@tenta  Why do you watch such nonsense?

I'm not watching much of it at all, I watch the most obnoxious stuff out of interest and to debunk it.

[Raphael]

On 2/18/2020 at 8:56 AM, Focus Shift said:

Great example of Blue vs. Green. Leary just trolls the shit out of this guy lol 

OMG. This guy reminds me my previous manager