Spiral Dynamics Stage Blue Examples Mega-Thread

[Leo Gura]

This is a place for education. If you don't want education, you're welcome to go sit under a tree for the rest of your life.

[Leo Gura]

25 minutes ago, Edvard said:

@Leo Gura When you talk about someone being a mix between different stages, I would point out that that could at certain times (not always of course) indicate that they are actually yellow or beyond, given that all stages have elements of useful traits, something that yellow sees.

There are extremely few solid Yellow people in the world. You won't confuse them for others.

[Edvard]

@Leo Gura When it comes to Trump, in example... While I think he probably is far from yellow, I can't really rule it out, because when it comes to US politics, there are so many factors, and Trump probably knows more about them than me. It's also hard to know whether his behavior was actually necessary for winning the election and to keep his support, but wanting to be president because he saw something coming as a result of the elitists continuing having power. All it makes sense to evaluate him on are the things that he is actually thinking. I disagree with him on climate change, but I actually do think he may believe in global warming. But sometimes I don't think he does anyway. I'm just very uncertain when it comes to Trump, he is very confusing to me. As a person, I don't really think he seems bad at all. He's funny and has an unconventional way of talking. In some sense he is refreshing. You can't really compare him with typical red personal traits. His eyes aren't lit up of ignorance in the way the Neo-nazi's are. Then again, maybe he is a disaster... but then again, most people who critizise him were almost fundamentalists in regards to dismissing the mere possibility of him winning the election... so many of the liberals have been wrong about him on so much. And also, he is in fact quite right about the media... they do often ignore important aspects of situations when critizising him, especially during the election. Given that too, it's hard to make up a decent picture of situations given the amount of fake news... because to some extend that is a real thing on both CNN and FOX.

But sometimes it suddenly comes a news story that makes me think; - Oh, maybe Leo is right in that he is red anyway... but maybe I just didn't understand the full reasoning behind his behavior.

Edited June 20, 2018 by Edvard

[John Iverson]

2 hours ago, Ether said:

@Leo Gura Leo, how is this gonna make you transcend your suffering?

Does this create higher awareness? Deeper emotional states? More safety? Came on man, focus on the path.

You miss to see the bigger picture of Enlightenment and Self actualization man.. it is not only about higher awareness, deeper emotional states or being Buddha or something you know within the enlightenment,.., to give yourself to others.. this journey of Enlightenment makes me more compassionate and without this kinds of knowledge I wouldn't understand the world, and the people around me... the more I understand myself the more i understand others.. the more i want to give myself and compassion... you will get Enlightenment but you will miss other aspects of lifee.. you can be enlightened but you are rapist ?Or corrupt individuals.. life is big you shouldn't underestimate how powerful this is...

[Colin]

@Edvard If you knew more details about the behind the scenes of politics and had more factual-based knowledge about how politics actually works. Your perspective would change. Peoples opinions are only as good as the information they are getting.

[Edvard]

4 hours ago, Colin said:

@Edvard If you knew more details about the behind the scenes of politics and had more factual-based knowledge about how politics actually works. Your perspective would change. Peoples opinions are only as good as the information they are getting.

Any information would have the potential to change my views in certain direction, that's why I keep an open mind with such a huge lack of info. Do you have all the info about Trump, not to mention especially the way he thinks? What do you know about politics that makes this clear for you?

[Leo Gura]

8 hours ago, Edvard said:

When it comes to Trump, in example... While I think he probably is far from yellow, I can't really rule it out

That's because your personal lack of development clouds your vision. You cannot understand Yellow until you're at Yellow yourself.

As you become more conscious, you will understand that a stage Yellow person would never behave the way Trump does.

Trump is nowhere close to Yellow. Not even a little bit. Trump actively hates Yellow. He's the opposite of Yellow.

[Revolutionary Think]

Sometimes they use science to back themselves up. 

[spursy]

19 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Inside the mind of average Blue folks.

Very interesting how the woman on the left @6:06 changed her mind immediately after the other woman began to speak.

[Revolutionary Think]

   

[Edvard]

49 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That's because your personal lack of development clouds your vision. You cannot understand Yellow until you're at Yellow yourself.

As you become more conscious, you will understand that a stage Yellow person would never behave the way Trump does.

Trump is nowhere close to Yellow. Not even a little bit.

To me you seem to be conflating "level of development" with how informed a person is, or how he interprets information. My view of Trump could be a lack of information simply. You don't know what Trump thinks, but maybe you understand politics better (or having more info), IDK. He is pragmatic, and he is not stupid. And I said he doesn't seem like yellow, and probably isn't. My head was certainly concerned about him for a while (because every person I respected despised him, like i.e. Sam Harris and Secular Talk), and I would probably vote for Hillary if I was a US citizen, but there was also a lot of truth in what he was saying, although applied to a certain portion of the population that thought a certain way. Trump exploited their situation, and no one else seemed to understand it, seeing Trump winning. How do you explain that? He obviously saw something the liberals didn't. BTW, my personality is very far from Trump's, but I know that there is no right or wrong personality, and Trump's could have its benefits. He is acting in response to his environment. And as I said, he may be Red/Orange.

You just sound like a fundamentalist when you say that somebody would absolutely act "this" if they were "that". You could be right in the sense that Trump is not ideological, which makes red, orange and yellow open. But he does get along with people, even enemies of the US, and that takes an open mind, not a closed and wild one. On a personal level he also gets along with Obama, calling him "a very good man", which a typical Red person probably never would do...

My suggestion or theory is that he is a mix of both red, orange and yellow, but that's a very open one.

You also said that Trump and Kim may be Turqoise acting like Red, but maybe that was a joke.  

 

So what stage do you think I'm at? You should be able to see that now, who claim to be strongly yellow?

 

My take on your level is Green tapping into Yellow. But that's just based on my understanding of SD.

 

 

 

Edited June 20, 2018 by Edvard

[Leo Gura]

59 minutes ago, Revolutionary Think said:

Sometimes they use science to back themselves up.

Definitely

The ego-mind uses science to back up whatever worldview it has, and rejects science in those areas where it contradicts the worldview.

The name of the game is very simple: defend my worldview come what may, at any cost, because my worldview is absolutely true.

The delicious irony is that science uses science & reason in exactly the same manner, creating a circular justification for itself.

[Leo Gura]

15 minutes ago, Outer said:

Something you used to do... Before your meditation retreat.

No, I never said that.

I knew since my teenage years that my worldview is not absolutely true.

I explained this long ago in my epistemology episodes.

When I speak of Absolute Infinity, don't confuse that with a worldview.

Nothing I have ever said is the Truth. Nor will it ever be. You guys still don't get that.

Since the first Actualized video 5 years ago, I have never been under the impression that what I say is Truth. It only seems that way from your perspective. I make a clear distinction in my mind between concept and reality. Most of you guys don't, so you project that paradigm onto my speech and teachings, which is understandable, but it gives you an inaccurate sense of my worldview.

My worldview is that all worldviews are false, including my worldview. This has been my worldview since I was about 18.

[Revolutionary Think]

Nice new quote Leo what made you change it from the Socrates one? 

[White]

24 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

My worldview is that all worldviews are false, including my worldview. This has been my worldview since I was about 18.

Which would give you great flexibility in your life 

[OBEler]

@Leo Gura Hitler was not blue at all,  thats how media wants to see him. Read the biography from his only friend August Kubizek. Hitler hated school system as he was young, disliked religions. He knew instinctly that most german people are red/blue and used to manipulate them. He gave different speeches to different people dependend on their classes. 

He loved the war, because it teached him so much about reality. there he had his deepest insights always being close to death. It seems he had paranormal abilitys because of his consciousness level if you research a little more, dont want to go out too far here.

He is an good example of yellow/turquise I thing, he was a strong system thinker thats for sure, not enlightened but very close to enlightenment I think. His idea  of swastika he had from buddhism.  He was not possessed or fanatic about germany at all , that s just media. in his view it was even good that germany was defeated at the end. He admired many cultures not only his own. He was thinking about the world as the whole, wanted just the best for humanity from his own view. He had deep love for everyone, most for children and animals

No one should know who he really was, Hitler knew this at best. Because red/blue people wont like this. And today winners write history so he is just the cartoonish evil guy

 

 

[Leo Gura]

@OBEler Lol, and his hatred for Jews was what exactly?

You guys sure find clever ways to justify your dictatorial leaders.

I have studied Hitler. He was the epitome of Blue. He was also zonked out of his mind on meth and other narcotics.

If you give someone like Alex Jones absolute power, he becomes a Hitler-like character.

[WildeChilde]

3 hours ago, OBEler said:

@Leo Gura Hitler was not blue at all,  thats how media wants to see him. Read the biography from his only friend August Kubizek. Hitler hated school system as he was young, disliked religions. He knew instinctly that most german people are red/blue and used to manipulate them. He gave different speeches to different people dependend on their classes. 

He loved the war, because it teached him so much about reality. there he had his deepest insights always being close to death. It seems he had paranormal abilitys because of his consciousness level if you research a little more, dont want to go out too far here.

He is an good example of yellow/turquise I thing, he was a strong system thinker thats for sure, not enlightened but very close to enlightenment I think. His idea  of swastika he had from buddhism.  He was not possessed or fanatic about germany at all , that s just media. in his view it was even good that germany was defeated at the end. He admired many cultures not only his own. He was thinking about the world as the whole, wanted just the best for humanity from his own view. He had deep love for everyone, most for children and animals

No one should know who he really was, Hitler knew this at best. Because red/blue people wont like this. And today winners write history so he is just the cartoonish evil guy

 

 

@OBEler Don't worry; you're not the only one here that knows about Hitler's other side.  He's truly one of the most misunderstood figures in history.  I promised Leo I'd be good from now on, so I'm not going to put a link for the documentary that talks about it on here (You might know it already).  Instead, I'll just leave a quote for others here to consider:

"Pride in one's own race—and that does not imply contempt for other races—is also a normal and healthy sentiment. I have never regarded the Chinese or the Japanese as being inferior to ourselves. They belong to ancient civilisations, and I admit freely that their past history is superior to our own. They have the right to be proud of their past, just as we have the right to be proud of the civilisation to which we belong." -Adolf Hitler

Genoud, François, ed. (1961). The Testament of Adolf Hitler: the Hitler-Bormann documents, February-April 1945. London: Cassell

 

[Key Elements]

The problem is there's no such thing as a "race" (or religion). You don't have to define yourself according to someone else's definition (or the government's). You don't need to allow others to drop you in some category. Talking about these types of topics gets nowhere.

I feel like posting clips of ppl chatting away at parties (Eg. Kitty parties) and gossiping about which category who belongs to, and who's been having sex with who (Eg. Latest talks on the divorced daughters-in-law). Unfortunately, I can't find one in English.

[Leo Gura]

@WildeChilde Enough of this nationalist nonsense.

Quote

"Once I really am in power, my first and foremost task will be the annihilation of the Jews. As soon as I have the power to do so, I will have gallows built in rows—at the Marienplatz in Munich, for example—as many as traffic allows. Then the Jews will be hanged indiscriminately, and they will remain hanging until they stink; they will hang there as long as the principles of hygiene permit. As soon as they have been untied, the next batch will be strung up, and so on down the line, until the last Jew in Munich has been exterminated. Other cities will follow suit, precisely in this fashion, until all Germany has been completely cleansed of Jews."

-- Hitler's statement to Josef Heil, 1922 quoted in Gerald Fleming, Hitler and the Final Solution

I don't even understand why you're on this forum. Consciousness is not for you.

Nationalism is ego, plain and simple.