Spiral Dynamics Stage Blue Examples Mega-Thread

[Bernardo Carleial]

I don't know at what level of the spiral Volodymyr Zelensky is at... 

But at times of war, like the one Ukraine is facing right now, it's vMEME Blue that is required to keep the entire Nation together, to fight against the invaders,  who tries to steal their land , subjugate their people and destroy their legacy, and Volodymyr Zelensky is doing that pretty well, that requires a higher level of integrity!???

Edited December 10, 2022 by Bernardo Carleial

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Blue attacking green.

Classic.

 

[Bernardo Carleial]

 

[Raze]

TITLE: A Catholic Approach to Identity Politics w/ Mary Eberstadt

TITLE: Oct. 10, 2013 - Leonard Sax - Faith & Boys and Girls; The Great Disappointment

 

 

Edited January 12, 2023 by Raze

[aurum]

This is SUCH a good example of spiral dynamics at play. I had to post it.

The question about relativism (largely a stage Green concept) is being posed to William Lane Craig, who is a theologian that defends God's existence and feels very Blue / Orange to me.

Notice that despite being lower on the spiral than Green, he is actually able to make an intelligent point against it, which is that relativism eats itself. This is hugely important because we tend to assume that valid critiques can only be made down the spiral. No! Lower stages can in fact sometimes see the flaws of higher stages. But it does not make those at the lower stages above them.

Why is that? It's because even though WLC can offer a refutation of absolute relativism, probably because of his extensive academic training, he fails at integrating and understanding the value of relativism and stage Green.

To truly be higher than Green, he would need to go through Green and relativism. He would have to let Green relativism burn through his objective notions of truth. Which he clearly has not done. He doesn't understand why people are relativists, he just thinks they are deluded. "Clearly absolute relativity is wrong! Therefore my relative constructions must be true, right?"

This is the same mistake Jordan Peterson is making.

Isn't spiral dynamics fascinating? iI's so complex! No one person could have ever figured all this out. Serious science is needed.

[supremeyingyang]

I started a thread about this, nobody answered, but I find this too interesting to be overlooked. It's Stage Red/Blue meets Blue/ early Orange

https://www.afghanistan-analysts.org/en/reports/context-culture/new-lives-in-the-city-how-taleban-have-experienced-life-in-kabul/

 

"What I experienced here in the last years, though, is that one can come across the perfect Muslim and the worst. Unlike villages where a lot of people go to the mosque to impress others, people in Kabul go there just for the sake of Allah. Unlike the villages where people endeavour to be called generous, people here do charity for the sake of Allah – people know little about each other and so they don’t need to impress each other."

"One thing I don’t like about Kabul is that people have moved here from all of Afghanistan’s 34 provinces and among them, a large number of criminals from across Afghanistan have made their way here and turned the city into a hub for their illegal activities. We face a lot of difficulties in eliminating crime, particularly robbery."

[Bernardo Carleial]

 

[Raze]

TITLE: Dr. Leonard Sax - Eric Metaxas Part 1 - Collapse of Parenting 2019

 

[aurum]

Stage Green poking fun at Stage Blue rural, nationalistic types that distrust the government:

 

Edited March 14, 2023 by aurum

[Bernardo Carleial]

The Dark Side of vMEME Blue

[VoidJumper]

Stage blue choosing suicide over facing the transformational dilemma (Javert from Les Misérables)

 

 

[LSD-Rumi]

Fethullah Gulen has the ability to agitate the crowd in a way I have not seen before. 

Basically, he is saying, breathe the spirit of Muhammad, transcend time and place, and be with him.

watch the video to the end, it gets better 

 

Edited May 15, 2023 by LSD-Rumi

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[Husseinisdoingfine]

https://youtu.be/48DaLYiO-yk

[Husseinisdoingfine]

 

Edited July 27, 2023 by Husseinisdoingfine

[Spiritual Warrior]

I want to post Leo's integrity video here because it is a foundational video to watch if you are trying to integrate healthy blue into your life. Stage blue is about integrity, honesty, being whole, keeping your word, walking your talk.

"Integrity is who are you are when you are not trying to impress somebody or manipulate somebody or put on some kind of facade"

What is the opposite of integrity? Opportunism. Corruption. Evil. Sin. Devilry. Wickedness. Badness. Hypocrisy. Bullshit. Untrustworthy. The willingness to lie, cheat, steal, manipulate, cut corner. Ego - the ego is trying to survive by any means necessary. 

When you act without integrity, this produces suffering within your life. 

[Spiritual Warrior]

This is a story about a working man that has devoted his life to his family. His sole purpose is to make sure that they survive, to keep the wolves away. 

This is integrity, this is honor, this is nobility. 

The workin' man.

[lostingenosmaze]