Leo's stage blue video is good.

[p1xelmonk]

maybe you should look into some self-help stuff man. it'll help quell this troubling narcissism before it gets out of hand.

[Saumaya]

4 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

And I’ll summarize those in my Journal too in the next couple of days.

Ok ill read it

[blazed]

God does all the work, ego takes all the credit!

 

[Hsinav]

7 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I’m way beyond you and everybody else on here.

How can that be, when we are all one? 

[cirkussmile]

I clearly see Joseph having great self esteem and that is different from ego. 

I dont care about stages but Jospeh is actually doing something productive and with passion and love. I appriciate when poeple go their own way all out. 

Josephs intention is good! Its a sin to miss that quality! 

I havent read the journals but I might do afrer this. 

Its all about waking up and appriciate others ways. We can all learn more, including the highest level

Edited June 19, 2018 by cirkussmile

[Rilles]

1 hour ago, Hsinav said:

I’m way beyond you and everybody else on here.

@cirkussmile

This is not self-esteem, this is self-praise, how is this not obvious. 

[Ether]

1 minute ago, Rilles said:

@cirkussmile

This is not self-esteem, this is self-praise, how is this not obvious. 

Ego on fleek  

[cirkussmile]

1 minute ago, Rilles said:

@cirkussmile

This is not self-esteem, this is self-praise, how is this not obvious. 

He doesnt know everybody else so he cant say that. But in this discussion he may have a point that it might be relative true. 

Just see back in history... the ones who were laughed at often came up with something great. I wont laugh. Im more excited in wainting a few years and let the work speak for itself

[Rilles]

@Joseph Maynor I wont bother, your posts speak for themselves. Good luck in your future ventures, you do have very valuable work.

[cirkussmile]

Now the atmosphere changed in here!

we should celebrate! 

Thank you all for practicing more awareness, compassion and love. That weapon is better to fight ignorance than a clever intellect.

 

[Hsinav]

@Joseph Maynor

Whatever great things comes out of you, taking credit for it,  would be a mistake.

[tsuki]

22 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Keep in mind that I’m arguing with Perspectives that are lower-down in Growth Level than I am here — so I have to meet them at their level, a level that they can understand.

No, you aren't arguing at the same level as them.
I was saying that you treat others as below you and you get shat at because of that. That serves no purpose other than aggravate people even if it is stated as a fact. You are actively sabotaging your message by doing it. 

I was asking what is the value of nurturing self-stories that are expressed as hierarchy of development in your posts.
What I got in return is the defense of your title as a teacher.

I actually feel bad because of the following misunderstanding. Not for you @Joseph Maynor , as you don't seem to care, but for others in this thread. We are all making fools of ourselves here, defending things from imaginary adversaries.

Edited June 19, 2018 by tsuki

[thehero]

@Joseph Maynor thanks for your work man 

if you're right that leo is green/yellow, im wondering how he could do a video on turquoise without having experienced it yet 

Perhaps there's such a bad reaction because you failed to meet people at their stage. But i guess that's hard to do considering everyone is on their own stage 

Also, I look forward to your work in Coral in the years to come. i'm excited for that 

Edited June 19, 2018 by thehero

[cirkussmile]

1 hour ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Thank you.  You understand me.  In fighting for my top value — Truth.  I want the Network of Perspectives to have the best conceptual frameworks to evolve within.  Leo’s building such frameworks — and I wanted him to have my voice, so a created a system to effect his system in order to make that happen as effectively as I knew how to do it.  And now that I’ve got your attention, we have time to do that. We have time to check and see where we’re gonna fuck the project up now and avoid it.  Let’s make the best product that we can for the world!  This is what we do — we’re Personal Development teachers.  I’m fighting for my values in this, that’s all.  Don’t take it personally.  It’s not personal — it’s values.  Even though I’m at Turquoise, I still create systems to change systems when I advance my cause, goals, and values.  Even Turquoise has an Ego — it’s just a much more evolved Ego.  What you see here is me advancing my Ego agenda.  I can be a fierce warrior for Truth — without being ideological about it.  I hope I was able to shed some light on this project.  I just want an accurate result at the end of the day.  I’m big into Spiral Dynamics.  I value it a lot.  I don’t want to see it screwed up.  I want people to have accurate models of Yellow and Turquoise.  That’s what I’m fighting for.  It’s so important that we help people evolve into Tier-Two Growth Levels.  I’m all about that as a Personal Development teacher.  That’s my baby, my mission.  And I want a good, well-informed, clean product from Leo on these Tier-Two Stages.  That’s gonna help my cause enormously to use Leo’s spiral videos as a tool to help people moving forward.  I don’t want to have to do my own Turquoise video to clean his up.  I don’t really wanna make videos.  I prefer to be a writer.  But I will make a video of I have to, just to make sure people aren’t fed innacurate information on Turquoise!  Turquoise is so wonderful, I want the essence of it stated accurately so people can shoot for it.  Kids can shoot for Turquoise once we get this model.  They can at least see the goal.  That’s exciting to me!  That really floats my boat!  That’s right at the very heart of my Life Purpose.

Thank you, Joseph.

I know you have something unique going on. 

Cosmic love <3

[p1xelmonk]

lmao this guy seriously can't get enough of himself it's amazing

[Soulbass]

The 1 thing from blue that resonate with me is "authenticity".

I've never been a big fan of "The True" Leo talks about this often, but to me it seems an infinity of truths (it's a matter of how we use words I guess).

I don't wanna waste my time judging other people tho, so let blue be blue!

(Edit: I think this statement is green)

(And this one is yellow)

Auto-evaluation seems tricky.

Edited June 20, 2018 by Soulbass

[Ananta]

6 hours ago, thehero said:

Perhaps there's such a bad reaction because you failed to meet people at their stage. But i guess that's hard to do considering everyone is on their own stage 

 

To say the "bad" reaction he got had anything to do with other peoples levels/stages not being "considered" and not everything to do with his "repulsive egotistical narcissistic" behavior is laughable, at best. I'm part of the human race, forget levels/stages.

 

 

 

Edited June 20, 2018 by Anna1

[Thanatos13]

I’m very skeptical of all of this in general. It just seems like another construct we made up.

I don’t think he’s right that the world is perfect as is. Perfect only exists to us. Perfect is subjective. It just is. It isn’t perfect. There are other issues I find but that’s the big one.  The other being moralizing because without a value system you don’t act. You can’t escape moralizing, but at least we don’t have to kill each other over it. People act based on what they judge to be the right thing to do, whatever that may be.

Plus I can’t help but feel this smacks of condescendcion despite claims to the contrary.

Edited June 20, 2018 by Thanatos13

[Thanatos13]

On 6/17/2018 at 9:42 PM, lmfao said:

Leo I love the video you made today man. I think you nailed down the essence of stage blue and how it typically manifests. 

Watching your video made me anxious lol because it triggered bad memories I had with stage blue thinking, since I'm an atheist living with a Muslim Pakistani family in Britain. I've had a lot of experience with the type of thinking you talked about in the video. I've visited Pakistan many times to meet my family as a child and I've interacted with Muslim communities a lot. I had to regularly go to a madrasa since when I was a young child to just a few years ago when I was 14.

I feel hateful towards religious fundamentalists because of the psychological and social damage they can do to you. I will probably have future problems because of the messed up social conditioning stage blue upbringing gives you. 

I'm finding it hard to release this hatred I feel towards stage blue and towards the people who exhibit it. Whenever "shit gets real" and personal for you it becomes a lot harder to remain present and mindful, but I've started to realise a little that my  hatred is the result of my ego not being able to just let go. But I shall try to let go. 

Even if I release hatred of stage blue people, they sure as hell ain't gonna be the type of people I usually hang out with. I'm very a politically incorrect person with dark humour who finds many of societies institutions to be a joke. Whenever I see a situation my natural inclination is to not moralise. Very different from self people who get offended and emotional over the most petty things. 

 

 

 

 

Petty is a matter of perspective. 

Not to mention the claim that there is unconditional love when there is no such thing. At least not in reality.