Why Do Life-Design Gurus Say That Dairy is bad for you?

[TomDashingPornstar]

Since I've started self development, I've heard many times that dairy products are bad for you.  Aren't they also good for you?  If you're not lactose intolerant, what's so bad?  Shouldn't you be able to feel if they're affecting you negatively. For Example, if I eat McDonald's or a box of Oreos, my workout is usually severely affected.  Dairy is a different story. Lately, I've been drinking at least a liter of milk everyday and everything's cool.

 

Leo talks about auto-immune diseases because of dairy, wheat, etc.  Shouldn't those diseases be obvious if you have them?  Is this something subtle?

Edited June 17, 2018 by TomDashingPornstar

[I Am That]

Well it's just not as simple a matter as is this thing bad or not. I have no idea about "life-design gurus" but I mean are you quite happy to ingest milk that contains traces of anti-biotics, herbicides, chlorinated pesticides, recombinant bovine growth hormone? Not sure where you are located, but rBGH is legal for use in dairy cattle In America, it's pretty fucked up. I do not consume cow's milk but don't consider raw, organic cow or goat milk to be unhealthy in sensible amounts. 

Consider also that disease does not spawn overnight. Just because you feel fine now, does not mean it's great for you.

You can't see what the hell is going on inside your body so how do you know everything is cool? There are also the ethical implications of consuming dairy. I would suggest use it very sparingly and the highest quality you can afford. It sounds like you have quite a bit of research to do.

[pluto]

We have to ferment dairy for it to be somewhat "good" for us but if you think about it, if we need to ferment a food to be good for us then it shouldn't be in our body to begin with. We are naturally more designed to consume plants than animal and animal products.

[Michael569]

Dairy is not and never was meant for humans. The fact that we are still consuming it shows the massive influence and lobbying of the dairy and meat industry. Perhaps if taken raw from a healthy animal and not more than once a week....perhaps not so bad... but the pasteurised one?...complete madness and poison. 

Dairy is the single most common cause of severe disease. It is acidic and causes mucus formation all over the body. Dairy stabs every organ in your body with a  knife ( figuratively speaking). Asthma, IBDs, prostate, testicular, breast cancers..all mainly caused by dairy. Selling dairy is a criminal activity and should be seen as such, there is 0 benefit from it and every mineral it has could be received from plants. Some even advise on feeding it to newborns instead of breastmilk...these people should be deported to an isolated island. 

[pluto]

@Michael569 I remember one lady trying to tell me that you should not give fruit or veggie puree to a baby because it can't "stomach it" yet she was fine giving a milk powder formula from another animal and did not for a second think or question it.

These were the ingredients:

Milk solids, Maltodextrin,  Whey Protein (Milk), vegetable oils (including soybean), emulsifier (soy lecithin), taurine, acidity regulator (lactic acid), nucleotides (cytidine-5′-monophosphate, disodium uridine-5′-monophosphate, adenosine-5′-monophosphate, disodium inosine-5′-monophosphate, disodium guanosine-5′-monophosphate), antioxidants (mixed tocopherols concentrate, ascorbyl palmitate), L-tryptophan, L-cysteine, L-carnitine.

No wonder babies get sick, have stomach aches and diarrhea and diseases all the time.. Id feel sick for a week consuming a chemical shitstorm like that.

Yet they cant stomach Banana, Sweet potato and Apple puree 3 simple ingredients from nature herself but can stomach a cows heavily processed milk powder full of artificially made chemicals.

Edited June 18, 2018 by pluto

[Michael569]

@pluto yes, it starts very early in life. Unfortunately, unless parents look out for this stuff and are only fed the mainstream information, they would not know any better. We've all been trapped in this at some point in our lives. 

Even after 2 years on vegan diet, my body is still congested with mucous from dairy which is giving me really shitty allergies. It may take years to get rid of all that...

[pluto]

10 hours ago, Michael569 said:

@pluto yes, it starts very early in life. Unfortunately, unless parents look out for this stuff and are only fed the mainstream information, they would not know any better. We've all been trapped in this at some point in our lives. 

Even after 2 years on vegan diet, my body is still congested with mucous from dairy which is giving me really shitty allergies. It may take years to get rid of all that...

Do a fruit fast brother or a juice fast/feast. It will speed up the detox process significantly and if you want, an efficient water fast will clean the deepest leftovers away.

[Michael569]

@pluto

8 hours ago, pluto said:

Do a fruit fast brother or a juice fast/feast. It will speed up the detox process significantly and if you want, an efficient water fast will clean the deepest leftovers away.

I am actually more and more inclined to this and have been increasing the ratio of fruit while reducing the ratio of cooked food. Stinging nettle tincture is the best thing I have found so far. I know it will go away, just a matter of time  

[White]

On 18/06/2018 at 11:28 AM, Michael569 said:

Dairy is the single most common cause of severe disease.

Got any references to support that?

[Michael569]

@White  if you dig up on pubmed.gov dairy relation to osteoporosis, prostate cancer /BPH (massive link to raising IGF-1 levels), pancreatic cancer, breast cancer , testicular cancer, colorectal cancer and other....you are bound to find an abstract of many research papers along with result and conclusion. Results may vary depending on sponsorship of the research, many of them have been funded by the corporate interest. 

There was also one great paper on acne that proved that meat and dairy activate an enzyme called mTORC-1 that contributes massively to acne development in teenage and adult men, i think it was even published whole for free, you can definitely find it on google.  Other than that if you want actual science laid down for you in a nice 10 minute videos, look up nutritionfacts.org and type in dairy

 

[White]

@Michael569

The single most common cause of disease though.  That's a pretty hefty claim.

Do you have a specific paper that shows correlation? 

I know you can point me to vegan propaganda channels such as Dr. Greger, but have you got something more convincing?

 

[Michael569]

@White vegan propaganda? lovely. No I do't have one particular paper that concludes this. There is no research on all diseases, just different individual papers focusing on one at a time. If you don't find Dr Greger convincing enough I am not sure if there are many other people who dig up in medical research as much as he does. 

Mostly a common sense brother but you may try chugging 1 liter of cow milk and see how it makes you feel in couple years. I admit though that saying "single most common"  was an overstatement...there are definitely other factors, I just felt like bashing on dairy  

 

Edited June 20, 2018 by Michael569
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[White]

14 minutes ago, Michael569 said:

I admit though that saying "single most common"  was an overstatement...there are definitely other factors, I just felt like bashing on dairy  

Ok, but don't mislead people. I've already sussed Dr. Greger. His intentions are good but he is coming from an angle. The data on dairy is not conclusive.

Yeah, a litre of cows milk is a lot. Yeah it may make you feel bad. Anything in excess can make you feel bad (especially those who don't have the lactase enzyme to be able to digest the stuff!). But saying that dairy is the leading cause of disease is going overboard. There is no issue in consuming moderate amounts of cheese, yoghurt, kifr, Greger uses very weak arguments to try to fit everything into his model of lifestyle medicine. Research his research, it's really inconclusive and just a story he has concocted with other plant based advocates. 

Edited June 20, 2018 by White

[RunningBD]

I can't imagine my life without yogurt! This stuff is my daily habit... 

[pluto]

2 hours ago, RunningBD said:

I can't imagine my life without yogurt! This stuff is my daily habit... 

Have you tried Coconut yogurt? or other plant-based yogurt? They taste exactly the same as dairy yogurt when made and fermented properly.

[Michael569]

@White

5 hours ago, White said:

Ok, but don't mislead people. I've already sussed Dr. Greger. His intentions are good but he is coming from an angle. The data on dairy is not conclusive.

if you need science for everything that is pretty much intuitive, you will get stuck in life many times. This is the problem of these days, anything that is not on the research paper is a conspiracy, a myth, non existing. We have just gone so astray from the intuitive living , eating garbage, meat 3 times a day and bathing everything in hormones from dairy...complete madness. And than people say things like "i dont eat fruit because fruits is just sugar."

Dr Greger is biased indeed, but biased with 20 years of nutritional science that he and his team have researched. They pretty much go through every research paper that comes out. Then you have people like all these crazy paleo guys, Robert Atkins diet or paleo blue print who are just killing people , don't even quote any damn research yet people follow them and do all this crazy shit like avoiding plants and eating oxidised cholesterol 3 times a day. 

Consistently vegan diets are scoring highest on cardiovascular disease prevention, cancer preventions and diabetes prevention. The evidence is out there in studies like China Study, Fremingham Heart study or Harvard Nurses study...all done on hundreds of thousands of people... if that's not enough to admit the people should get at least as close as possible to it, than I don't know what.....but then it is all just vegan propaganda ..what do we know

[White]

@Michael569 I don't want to be dismissive of your concerns but to say that dairy is the major cause of all diseases is not too wise. 

It's a bit of a straw man. 

Anyway if it works for you then I'm happy for you. Just be careful not to make bold claims that are not true. Just say you don't know. 

[Michael569]

well, same way you can't take all the work of someone like Greger and call it a biased science. The guy has helped thousands of people across the globe. Biased or not, he is making the world better place. 

Anyways, let's cut it here, we should be self-actualizing not arguing. Point taken on my dairy argument, it was an exaggeration, there is more to disease than that that's for sure. 

[White]

11 minutes ago, Michael569 said:

well, same way you can't take all the work of someone like Greger and call it a biased science. The guy has helped thousands of people across the globe. Biased or not, he is making the world better place. 

I agree he is helping people. But if you can't see the plant based vegan agenda mixed in then you're missing a trick. 

His work is clearly worked it's way into your consciousness, even to the point that you preptuate his propaganda with completely false statements like

On 18/06/2018 at 11:28 AM, Michael569 said:

Dairy is the single most common cause of severe disease.

propaganda

prɒpəˈɡandə/

noun

1.

information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view.

15 minutes ago, Michael569 said:

we should be self-actualizing

This conversation IS self actualizing. I hope you can see that 

[Mirror of Confusion]

Don't listen to any guru but the Juice Weasel!