Justice Problem

[Star Net]

Lets assume that someone hurted You in some way, then He or She died before Justice and before You take a revenge on Him or Her, So He or She will run out of this life without justice.

What do You think ? How do We solve this problem ?

[furashido]

1 hour ago, Star Net said:

Lets assume that someone hurted You in some way, then He or She died before Justice and before You take a revenge on Him or Her, So He or She will run out of this life without justice.

What do You think ? How do We solve this problem ?

Would you go on living miserably because you didn’t get to hurt them back?

Forgivness is an art. When you carry hate it just darkens your own heart. Forgiving actually makes you lighter in life. 

I say this because in my life i have been in that situation more than once. I choose to look at it this way, i dont think of it as someone has done something to me. Instead i look at it as an experience from things that happen. life is a series if things happening.

And sometimes difficult situations can act as gurus, or a spiritual sparring partner as you will. It is what you learn from it and how you respond that helps you grow. its not all about meditation. One has to find lessons from every facet of existence, including life.

Edited June 16, 2018 by furashido

[Star Net]

Hi@furashido  How are You ?

2 hours ago, furashido said:

Would you go on living miserably because you didn’t get to hurt them back?

Forgivness is an art. When you carry hate it just darkens your own heart. Forgiving actually makes you lighter in life. 

I say this because in my life i have been in that situation more than once. I choose to look at it this way, i dont think of it as someone has done something to me. Instead i look at it as an experience from things that happen. life is a series if things happening.

And sometimes difficult situations can act as gurus, or a spiritual sparring partner as you will. It is what you learn from it and how you respond that helps you grow. its not all about meditation. One has to find lessons from every facet of existence, including life.

Dont You think that You are using forgiveness to escape from Your pain ?, Dont You think You are cheating on Yourself so that You can go on with Your life without thinking about Your pain and about a way of revenge?, Do not You think that forgiveness will encourage more hurting and pain in the world this way ?

I am just asking.

Edited June 16, 2018 by Star Net

[Star Net]

isn't the forgiveness is just an illusion that We use to delude ourselves and escape ?

[nour-cha93]

When you give power to someone elses act, it will have power over you.

We need to accept what others say or do without taking it personal.

Sadhguru says when someone makes you feel certain way because of what they say or act, this is called slavery.

[Guest Quanty]

You can kill that entity at will if you know how. 

[Guest Quanty]

Forgiveness will only bring peace to the dormant (cause of socially accepted paradigm). 

When you forgive you are at the mercy of that person, for further abuse. 

[Guest Quanty]

Another trick of society to further block our body/mind. 

One has to let go, forgiveness is just a mind trick. Let go, switch focus on oneself, nobody needs forgiveness, it is a binding. 

Because forgiving you accept the damage and take full responsibility for the other person. Same as taking a weight from someone and passing unto you. Wanna be released of the weight? Drop it. So in conclusion forgiving is like love. Watch out what you love, or you become that. 

[furashido]

@Star Net you are not forgiving the person. in this case forgiveness symbolises understanding. Understanding the causes behind the actions. What lead to it happening. the psychology of the individual that caused you that pain and so on.

And once you understand that you have been hurt by someone unaware of their actions and not in control of their own mind, what good would revenge or hurting them do? Do you get mad at a wolf for beeing a wolf? Or at a turtle for being a turtle? 

So you forgive them because they are trapped, and you on the other hand have been given the gift to see. and you have the ability to see outside of the hamster wheel. 

Once you understand, nothing no one ever does can effect you.

Enjoy the ride.  

 

 

 

Edited June 16, 2018 by furashido

[Star Net]

Good morning ( according to my city ) @furashido  @nour-cha93  @Quanty ,

This topic is not about Me, it is about all of the humanity.

7 hours ago, nour-cha93 said:

When you give power to someone elses act, it will have power over you.

We need to accept what others say or do without taking it personal.

Sadhguru says when someone makes you feel certain way because of what they say or act, this is called slavery.

Not in all cases, for an example : someone Shot Us with a bullet or Stole Our money or ........etc, in These kind of cases We have to take these actions personally and it will definitely make Us feel that these actions are personal ( it can't be not personal ).

 

 

5 hours ago, Quanty said:

When you forgive you are at the mercy of that person, for further abuse. 

5 hours ago, Quanty said:

So in conclusion forgiving is like love. Watch out what you love

I completely agree with this.

 

 

4 hours ago, furashido said:

you are not forgiving the person. in this case forgiveness symbolises understanding. Understanding the causes behind the actions. What lead to it happening. the psychology of the individual that caused you that pain and so on.

We can try to change the environment of that person and treat the causes ( I agree with this ), but I do not think that Forgiveness will change the psychology or the mindset of that individual in most cases ( I know it does in some cases, but in most cases it does not ).

And by the way most of the times When We forgive someone He/She thinks that We are ( Stupid ) and They can do the same thing to Us and We will forgive Him/Her again because We are ( stupid ) as They think.

4 hours ago, furashido said:

And once you understand that you have been hurt by someone unaware of their actions and not in control of their own mind, what good would revenge or hurting them do? Do you get mad at a wolf for beeing a wolf? Or at a turtle for being a turtle? 

I am talking about adults that are aware of Their actions and in control of Their own mind, and if We did the same thing to Them that they did to Us They will be hurted,and They know that,

I think revenge and hurting Them will correct Them or at least stop Them from hurting others in the future because They will be afraid of revenge,

There are a big differences between a wolf or a turtle and human.

You know some people do not care about if what They are doing will hurt You or not They just care about themselves, I think This kind of people must hurted alot as a revenge and that hurt and revenge will stop Them because They will be afraid of revenge ( in arabic They describe this kind of people as  "They afraid, They do not feel shame" or something near to that )

5 hours ago, furashido said:

Once you understand, nothing no one ever does can effect you.

What about Someone Shot You or Me with a bullet or Stole My money or Your Money .....etc ? , Of course it will have an effect on Us, not just on Ourselves but it will have an effect on Us, our families and all people around Us.

or at least thats what I think.

 

 

Have a nice day everyone.

[furashido]

@Star Net What you do or don’t do is up to you. We all have to take responsivility for our thoughts and actions one way or another, and nature has a good way of dealing with it. 

It’s hard living in that state and fear. Don’t be so attached to life. its not in your control anyway. If your mind is consumed by the thoughts of being hurt and how to hurt others, think about how to become free from that instead. 

If one of those things you have mentioned happens to you, you will get all your answers. Because under that kind of your stress, its hard to keep ones awareness and not succumb to the primitive ego. 

 

 

Edited June 17, 2018 by furashido

[sarapr]

In the big picture if you want to know why the universe sometimes doesn't bring justice and why the world is unfair, you gotta understand the world doesn't care about any of those things that you care about and the world certainly doesn't think of injustice as you perceive it to be, to the world it's perfect harmony with no unfairness but to you not so much. So it's your problem how you want to deal with people who hurt you because the world doesn't care about that .

[nour-cha93]

You can take action against the person who did you wrong so that you can stop them but you do not have to take it personally.

Edited June 17, 2018 by nour-cha93

[Star Net]

15 hours ago, sarapr said:

In the big picture if you want to know why the universe sometimes doesn't bring justice and why the world is unfair, you gotta understand the world doesn't care about any of those things that you care about and the world certainly doesn't think of injustice as you perceive it to be, to the world it's perfect harmony with no unfairness but to you not so much. So it's your problem how you want to deal with people who hurt you because the world doesn't care about that .

Be aware that When You talk about world or universe You talk about human beings too, So When You say that the world or universe does not care about justice, I can understand that a tree or a planet does not care about justice, but human beings are different ( or at least thats what I think ) They care about justice and They are part of this world and universe.

[sarapr]

4 hours ago, Star Net said:

Be aware that When You talk about world or universe You talk about human beings too, So When You say that the world or universe does not care about justice, I can understand that a tree or a planet does not care about justice, but human beings are different ( or at least thats what I think ) They care about justice and They are part of this world and universe.

When I say world I don't mean trees, I mean reality as a whole.

And by not caring I mean that the reality is already just with no injustice and that everything that happens is perfectly fair but if you feel like it's not, it's only your perspective but from the broadest perspective possible there is nothing which would be unfair or bad or incorrect.

I hope you get my point 

[Star Net]

58 minutes ago, sarapr said:

When I say world I don't mean trees, I mean reality as a whole.

I know You did not mean trees.

59 minutes ago, sarapr said:

it's only your perspective but from the broadest perspective possible there is nothing which would be unfair or bad or incorrect.

Of course, but that does not make the human being perspective of justice and injustice wrong or right, ( Broadest perspective of reallity ) does not change anyhting, Actually it does not hold any value when We talk about this topic.

1 hour ago, sarapr said:

I hope you get my point 

I get Your point Sara

[sarapr]

@Star Net so the thing is you would punish anyone who hurts you and that's okay but when you can't punish that person as you said then there's nothing more for you to do but that does not pose a problem as you think it would 

[sarapr]

And also you can think of it this way that as long as that person is alive you can treat him with your version of justice (you can take your revenge and you don't have to forgive) but after he's dead, your justice dies with him (you can still choose not to forgive and hurt yourself even more) but since there was no injustice with the big picture perspective to begin with then the fact that he died before you punished him does not pose an actual injustice problem for the world so no solutions would be required.  

Religions use the same logic as yours to prove that heavon and hell must exist so that everyone would get what they deserve fully. But that doesn't necessarily have to be the case. 

Edited June 18, 2018 by sarapr

[Star Net]

1 hour ago, sarapr said:

And also you can think of it this way that as long as that person is alive you can treat him with your version of justice (you can take your revenge and you don't have to forgive) but after he's dead, your justice dies with him (you can still choose not to forgive and hurt yourself even more) but since there was no injustice with the big picture perspective to begin with then the fact that he died before you punished him does not pose an actual injustice problem for the world so no solutions would be required.  

When I think, I think Deeply.

I agree with You, But what about the consequences of His/Her action, For an example : Someone stole 1 million dollar from Us ( Me and You ), then that person died, ok He is dead now and we can not punish that person, I understood, but Our children ( My children and Your children ) will live in poverty, in the same time that person's Children will live rich, and all of that because that person stole money from Us, that is not fair, and in the same time We can not do anything to that person's children because they are not the one who stole Our money, and legally We can not get our money back from them, So in Your opinion, What do We do ?

Edited June 18, 2018 by Star Net

[sarapr]

@Star Net  if there was actually no legal way to get your money back which I don't think is the case then it would be a flaw in laws created by the government which if the lawmakers realized and agreed to change could change and there you have your justice.

If the laws didn't change, you can do the what you think is just illegally or choose not to do anything illegal and just accept the situation. There isn't more to that story