How can you BE enlightened?

[mandyjw]

If enlightenment is the state in which you remove the illusion that you are separate from reality? Either all of reality is becoming enlightened or it isn't.  There is nothing that one can do to get there other than enter the state of no self in this moment. When you have an experience in which you lose yourself in unconscious behavior, remembering that situation as a past event or judging the event as unconscious only means that you are still unconscious in the present. How can you make enlightenment a future goal without missing the entire experience of the thing, which can only happen now in this very moment?

For this reason I don't believe that any method or knowledge about enlightenment is something one should or should not do. The state of no thought in the present moment is the only path the enlightenment. It's all there is. Everything else is an illusion of the egoic thinking mind. The concept of enlightenment, the idea of other people being or not being enlightened. Should we focus less on methods, knowledge and the physical forms of substances and more on the present moment? Doing those things can seem like the hard road or like we are doing something but are we doing them because being in the present moment and accepting the form of this very moment is the thing we would rather avoid?

This is coming from someone who at this point in life cannot dedicate big chunks of time to meditation or using any substances. Rather than feeling like I'm missing out as I have in the past and still do occasionally, I've come to realize more and more that I can't stop this from happening, it's happening to me and to all of life. It's beautiful and it's perfect and there's nothing I have to "do" about it.

 

[Victor Mgazi]

I'm honestly interested in your point but I'm not sure what it is. Just make a simple statement or question if you are asking something. 

[Saumaya]

10 minutes ago, mandyjw said:

The state of no thought in the present moment is the only path the enlightenment. It's all there is. Everything else is an illusion of the egoic thinking mind.

Not exactly. Enlightenment means ego transcendence not ego destruction. Ego is still part of the dream so you will have thoughts, but they will no longer be an issue. The dream is not destroyed, the dream is transcended.

[mandyjw]

42 minutes ago, Saumaya said:

Not exactly. Enlightenment means ego transcendence not ego destruction. Ego is still part of the dream so you will have thoughts, but they will no longer be an issue. The dream is not destroyed, the dream is transcended.

I agree that a person has to have thoughts in order to maintain their form and existence, but form and existence itself are ultimately an illusion or part of the dream. It's interesting that you say "not exactly" because everything that can ever be said or written on this subject can never be exact.

Most of my thoughts are no longer an issue. I believe that whatever unconsciousness I see or react to in another person exists in myself and I use that event to explore in what way I am still unconscious. So in the moment I feel animosity towards someone, I am my ego and they are a separate entity, and instead of looking back on that reaction and saying "I was unconscious, I am not enlightened", I see it as a prompt to become more myself.

[Dogsbestfriend]

1 hour ago, Saumaya said:

Not exactly. Enlightenment means ego transcendence not ego destruction. Ego is still part of the dream so you will have thoughts, but they will no longer be an issue. The dream is not destroyed, the dream is transcended.

Deff like this definition then when people often refer to 'Ego death'.