Why evolution

[Highest]

If God is all-powerful and infinitely intelligent, then why does it need evolution? Why not create everything instantly? 

Can it be that evolution is just a man made construct, using another human made construct, time? Because if, as I have experienced, there is only the timeless now, where does time and evolution come from? I do not deny evolution, but why if consciousness is all-powerful does evolution need to happen?

[Prabhaker]

4 minutes ago, Highest said:

If God is all-powerful and infinitely intelligent, then why does it need evolution?

It is a cosmic play. It is not even a game. because even in a game, victory is to be attained. It is like a child plays, without any purpose. There is nothing serious about this play, there no goal, no purpose.

[Leo Gura]

@Highest From the absolute's perspective there is no evolution. Everything exists eternally, simultaneously as an infinite singularity.

From the relative perspective, human beings perceive time and linear cause/effect. So in this sense there is evolution. Evolution appears to occur inside the dream.

This explanation makes no logical sense. And yet it is true.

[Dogsbestfriend]

Maybe there are rules within the dream .. from struggle strength arises.

What is the obsession with 'no purpose'. There can be a purpose of just experiencing? Living in the moment. Making the most of whatever the dream is?

[Victor Mgazi]

It seems like evolution is just something that can be experienced so therefore is being experienced. 

It's just something that occurs within existence.

[Highest]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@Highest From the absolute's perspective there is no evolution. Everything exists eternally, simultaneously as an infinite singularity.

From the relative perspective, human beings perceive time and linear cause/effect. So in this sense there is evolution. Evolution appears to occur inside the dream.

This explanation makes no logical sense. And yet it is true.

Sounds reasonable.

[Leo Gura]

10 hours ago, Dogsbestfriend said:

What is the obsession with 'no purpose'. There can be a purpose of just experiencing? Living in the moment. Making the most of whatever the dream is?

If you do not become conscious that purpose, meaning, and value are created by your ego-mind, you will forever be a slave to self-survival and never reach the deepest levels of nonduality.

It is absolutely vital that you guys become conscious of what meaning, purpose, and value really are. Your entire deluded life hinges on those 3 things. The slate needs to be wiped clean. You need to come face-to-face with the fact that life is utterly meaningless. Only then does spirituality begin.

"Living in the moment" or BEING is not a purpose, nor is there any meaning in it.

Sit down and contemplate: "What is meaning? Where does it come from?"

Another exercise you can do every morning is to look around the room and tell yourself, "Every object in this room is totally meaningless and valueless." Focus on each object and tell yourself, "This object meanings nothing." Then move on to the next object. Don't make any excuses or exceptions for any objects. Don't even make an exception for your body, your child, your cat, your dog, your spouse, your wallet, etc. They are all meaningless.

[Ether]

@Leo Gura Value and meaning dont exist. It doesnt mean its meaningless.

[Nahm]

@Highest To fool yourself. It’s a cover story. 

[Dogsbestfriend]

On 6/13/2018 at 9:51 PM, Leo Gura said:

If you do not become conscious that purpose, meaning, and value are created by your ego-mind, you will forever be a slave to self-survival and never reach the deepest levels of nonduality.

It is absolutely vital that you guys become conscious of what meaning, purpose, and value really are. Your entire deluded life hinges on those 3 things. The slate needs to be wiped clean. You need to come face-to-face with the fact that life is utterly meaningless. Only then does spirituality begin.

"Living in the moment" or BEING is not a purpose, nor is there any meaning in it.

Sit down and contemplate: "What is meaning? Where does it come from?"

Another exercise you can do every morning is to look around the room and tell yourself, "Every object in this room is totally meaningless and valueless." Focus on each object and tell yourself, "This object meanings nothing." Then move on to the next object. Don't make any excuses or exceptions for any objects. Don't even make an exception for your body, your child, your cat, your dog, your spouse, your wallet, etc. They are all meaningless.

 

Ok.. 'meaningless' but not really right? Because you aren't throwing any of those things out. It's easy to float through levels of existence/consciousness and consequently dissolve anything into something 'meaningless'. But at some baser some levels, there is meaning - if we don't start differentiating between what level you are speaking from what's the point - isn't the idea to try and help everyone to elevate themselves? Half the time on the forum people just get caught up disputing beliefs because they feel they need to point out that on a deeper level whatever their are trying to dissolve on that level will seem pointless or is defined differently by them. So what? Isn't there a purpose to your forum? There is meaning in it somehow? Otherwise why 'do' it

 

[Prabhaker]

Monkeys also have their idea, they think man has fallen from the trees, from great heights. Monkeys think that they are more evolved, man can't jump like us!

How a modern lizard or any other animal is more evolved than dinosaurs, which ruled the earth? 

[pluto]

To Know self, from another way.

[dorg]

On 6/13/2018 at 8:32 PM, Leo Gura said:

@Highest From the absolute's perspective there is no evolution. Everything exists eternally, simultaneously as an infinite singularity.

From the relative perspective, human beings perceive time and linear cause/effect. So in this sense there is evolution. Evolution appears to occur inside the dream.

This explanation makes no logical sense. And yet it is true.

The next stage of evolution is seeing that the absolute and relative are not separate.

[Sempiternity]

13 hours ago, Ether said:

@Leo Gura Value and meaning dont exist. It doesnt mean its meaningless.

@Ether Any and all meaning is Self created. Life is empty and meaningless and it's empty and meaningless that it is empty and meaningless.