Enlightenment Sickness

[Faceless]

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Take some time and investigate, or don’t 

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[Faceless]

Just now, Joseph Maynor said:

Not good!  You need to learn how to discourse to grow.

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thank you mr maynor

[Faceless]

@Joseph Maynor everything I communicate has a specific purpose. 

Did I invoke interest in anything in particular for you? 

Everything I share can be found in the movement of self. It’s there for anyone to observe. The question is do we want to? 

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[Ether]

54 minutes ago, Saumaya said:

I do experience bodily pleasure. Peace is not an issue, contentment is better. Unconditional happiness is contentment only.

But is contentement a strong emotion?

[Faceless]

So awarness without the movement of thought implies that the dualistic movement of the self has ended? 

Therefore self consciousness is not. It is then pure observation without an observer. What is without the imposition of what has been, modified to what should be. 

In this the movement of time as the independent entity has ceased. 

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[Faceless]

5 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

So how does this theory affect your life? Do you embody this theory, or is it purely conceptual truth to you?

It’s not a theory to me. Theory implies somthing abstract (of thought) 

This is to cut the tether of thought all together. Not thoughts, but the movement of thought as in a cessation of the self (knowledge, experience, memory) which is “static” witch approaches the now “dynamic” with the accumulated content of the past that imposes itself on the now and projects itself into the future. 

 

Did if you ever read my nature of experience thread? 

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[Faceless]

That’s where all conflict sets in.. when the past “being static” tries to solve psychological problems that arise in the present now “which is dynamic” 

 

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[cetus]

 

14 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I resonate with a lot of what he says, though not all:

• “No such thing as non-duality prior to the word duality” — yeah, being comes before thought.
• Concern with seeking Enlightenment state to get away from pain and pleasure — I agree that this is tail-chasing.  
• “Non-dual Awareness doesn’t make sense” — Exactly, being comes before thought.
• “You won’t be aware of your own Enlightenment” — this one is wrong.  You can become aware of your own Enlightenment, clearly.

@Joseph Maynor Interesting. Thanks

 

[Faceless]

11 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

So how does this theory affect your life? Do you embody this theory, or is it purely conceptual truth to you?

Remeber there can never be embodiment in accordance to a theory/abstraction....As that implies duality. 

If we explore inwardly very deep this will become quite obvious. 

Its a theory to anyone who sees it abstractly (not in ones self) 

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[Faceless]

6 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Aren’t  you asking us to take your dual theory seriously?

No Just to simply investigate yourself. In this investigation all ideas are negated and the fact reveals itself. 

Facts are where embodiment arises, not ideas. 

This must be seen for oneself. I only can invoke interest. Point to. 

Point to the necessity of exploring oneself free of ones own accumulated bias and prejudices. And the suspension of (choice influenced by that same movement of self) 

All this can be found within one own inward being. No need to bring abstraction into this. As that is the very root of the problem

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[Faceless]

We can only point to the significance of understanding the self. That’s it. Not according to ideas and so on. As that is understanding oneself according to the past (thought) 

which is not understanding oneself at all. 

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[Faceless]

6 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Then why all the discussion?  Shouldn’t you be away from this place then, with that philosophy?

There is no philosophy. That is the point. It’s seeing the futility of philosophical conceptualization. 

Just sharing with others the significance of self understanding. 

To point out contradictions and invoke interests that may bring about a more direct approach. 

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[Ananta]

Seems to me that @Faceless is referring to what Eckhart Tolle would call the "power of Now" (but he uses Krishnamurti terms and style).

The problem, imo, with this is that once you're in the "now", then now what? You can't stay there indefinately and when you start using thoughts and memory again to function in the world you'll think you "lost" your "presence".

Yeah, it just doesn't work to seal the deal, imo. You need Self-knowledge to remove ignorance of your true nature, as the Self/awareness.

 

 

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[Faceless]

3 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Knowing how to separate Awareness from thought-stories too.

This is a movement of thought/self/duality 

The knower who seperates awarness from thought stories. 

Dualistic movement of a doer using volition to satisfy its own compulsion and to satisfy desire in the pursuit of pleasure, gratification, satisfaction. 

Perpetual seeking the illusionary nature of psychological time.

 

[Faceless]

as @Anna1said

The problem, imo, with this is that once you're in the "now", then now what? You can't stay there indefinately and when you start using thoughts and memory again to function in the world you'll think you "lost" your "presence".

 

 

Its to simply use thought when it is needed. And when we don’t need thought, there is no need for thought. 

There is absolutely no need for thought psychologically. Thought is a tool. When we are not using that tool. Why the need for it to keep operating. Freedom is only freedom when thought does not compulsively enter into the psychological realm. 

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[Faceless]

Can you observe free of the knower and all its accumulated content (the past). This is the beauty of living. 

To be headless

To observer without the movement of the becoming or not becoming, outwardly and inwardly. 

To be choicelessly passive (without any compulsion to choose as the chooser) as Krishnamurti has discussed before.  

 

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[Faceless]

2 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Do a Do Nothing Meditation sit and see for yourself what BE-ing is.

If there is no movement of the knower/the known/thought/the thinker, what does that imply Joseph? 

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[Faceless]

Do nothing implies no movement of will, desire, volition which is all the movement of the self/thought. 

[Ananta]

@Faceless Ok, I get what you're saying. No offense, but it's very beginner level to me. If you spoke in a more straight forward manner, regularly, on your posts people could understand you better.

Anyways, I'm awareness! Thoughts are me, but I'm not my thoughts. This is discriminated in the intellect. There's me (awareness) and there's thoughts with me. They come and go. It makes no difference to me. It's a matter of do I identify with them..or not. If I do, well that can be a problem. If I dont, no problem at all. 

Thought is not the enemy. Psychological thought comes from identification as a person and not your true nature. So, telling peeps to stop psychological thought without them knowing their true nature isn't going to work, imo.

 

 

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[MarkusSweden]

@Etagnwo @Joseph Maynor

Before you criticise @Faceless for being here, remember that he is an important teacher to many of us here. 

He doesn't do it for his own sake, he does it for us and for the world. 

@Faceless is my only teacher atm, and he is by far the greatest one. You have to understand his style of teaching though. 

@Faceless is better then both JP Spears and the Pope imo, which were my two former spiritual teachers online, before I found @Faceless .