Posted June 13, 2018 (edited) @Saumaya So, you dont have emotions that create suffering but you do have feelings of pleasure which come and go? Edited June 13, 2018 by Ether a Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Ether said: @Saumaya So, you dont have emotions that create suffering but you do have feelings of pleasure which come and go? What exactly do you mean by pleasure? Like when you fap you feel pleasure? There's Only One Truth! My book on Enlightenment and Non Duality https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07BHWCP7H Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 13, 2018 @Saumaya Pleasure - Fap, joy, happiness, etc, etc, inner peace. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 13, 2018 @Ether To me pleasure is when thought has come in and seeks security in a memory of a pleasurable experience. If we indulge in that pleasure which has have been influenced by thought (remeberane of an experience) them arises an action according to that very wanting. (Like Addiction) Let me know if you see this in your experience... The general process.... There is perception, contact, sensation, then thought comes in, identification identification of the i, then desire. Then that desire (i) pursues through thought the remeberance (memory) of a past experience and seeks to relive that experience. The movement of pleasure Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, Etagnwo said: We can't escape it As escaping is a movement of duality. 3 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said: It ain’t about ideology or clinging to the past. As this is also a movement of duality The question is can we identify when duality is in movement?? This seems very difficult to a mind that demands that very movement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 13, 2018 (edited) Do we see that duality is in movement when we depend on the utilization of knowledge, experience, through memory? Do we see that when we approach a psychological problem with registry (thought) and attempt to solve that dynamic problem of self with the static content of thought there will be an automotic movement of duality/division? Edited June 13, 2018 by Faceless Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 13, 2018 Could there be a totally different approach that does not imply duality? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 13, 2018 (edited) Who is utilizing memory, knowledge, experience (the known) to go beyond to the unknown? Is the knower/known (the movement of time) attempting to capture the unknown with all the static content of the past? (Past being what is known/the knower) Edited June 13, 2018 by Faceless Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 13, 2018 @Joseph Maynor can you see it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 13, 2018 @Joseph Maynor @Faceless What do you guys think about what is said in the first 4 mins.of this video? Agree or disagree? Somewhere in between perhaps? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 13, 2018 56 minutes ago, Ether said: @Saumaya Pleasure - Fap, joy, happiness, etc, etc, inner peace. I do experience bodily pleasure. Peace is not an issue, contentment is better. Unconditional happiness is contentment only. There's Only One Truth! My book on Enlightenment and Non Duality https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07BHWCP7H Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 13, 2018 @cetus56 Sure. When I speak of duality I am implying any movement to become psychologically secure as a sepreate independent entity. Any seeking as an escape from what is. Do you see what I mean? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 13, 2018 (edited) Or the utinlization of any movement of time/thought/the thinker, to end that movement of time to cross over to that which is timeless. Time being memory, knowledge, and experience which is the thinker. Edited June 13, 2018 by Faceless Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Faceless said: Do you see what I mean? @Faceless Yes i do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 13, 2018 (edited) Ay ay ay! You junkies out there don't know That "Free" Humility about Enlightenment and Non-Duality is another EGO disguise hahaha. Edited June 13, 2018 by Quanty Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said: Whaddya think of this definition of Ego? Ego is the false sense of identification, control, doing, or conceptually knowing between unchanging Awareness and the changing dream? I don’t get into changing an unchanging personaly. Nor do I use the word dream. I like to keep it simple becomes the mind is very complex. To me ego ‘is’ the process of indentification itself. It is an identifying with its content (knowledge, experience, memory) To me any movement away from what is involves these processes and instantly qualifies as dualistic. Can you see that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 13, 2018 (edited) Without that content of thought (knowledge, experience, memory) there is no identification of an independent psychological entity. Thought is the root of identification/duality Edited June 13, 2018 by Faceless Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 13, 2018 22 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said: I’ll watch the whole thing and then comment. @Joseph Maynor Sure. He covers many topics. But the first 4 mins. is what I'm directly asking about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said: If thought is the root of duality — then why are you engaging in it so much? Shouldn’t you be meditating in a cave or something? I mean, according to your logic, you’re way off the path, right? Just see the significance of what is said. I can tell by your response that it is not clear yet. Give it some time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 13, 2018 (edited) Remember wothout knowledge, experience, memory) is there a psychological entity @Joseph Maynor? And do we not act in accordance to all that movement/content of the i ?? Edited June 13, 2018 by Faceless Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
