The whole universe is aware of being pure consciousness except for human beings.(ego)

[Azza]

Being aware does not need our physical form as human beings. It does not need intelligence nor even being "alive". being aware of consciousness is just is. How many videos or books have you viewed that told you the way to enlightenment and to awareness is through letting go of what defines you and letting go of your ego and just living in the moment etc? That means ego blocks awareness and makes us feel separate. But then the whole universe doesn't have ego. Rocks, animals, chairs plants. All of those don't have an ego. So nothing is stopping them from being aware that they are just consciousness, of course if you ditch the idea that being aware needs a human form, since like said before, it is not needed to be aware. I know what im saying is the opposite of what leo said so I'm probably missing a point or just talking about a completely different thing, but why can't a rock be aware? What is stopping it? 

[Azza]

9 minutes ago, Etagnwo said:

@Azza You're talking about yourself in third person, as if you are an "It". 

 

Can you explain what you mean cause i honestly dunno lol. I didn't talk about myself at all. 

[Ananta]

1 hour ago, Azza said:

why can't a rock be aware? What is stopping it? 

It's actually the mind/intellect that is permeated/illumined by awareness that is aware. The rock has no mind, therefore can't be aware.

[Solace]

@Anna1 How do you know the rock has no mind? Have you been one before in a high state of awareness?

[Solace]

I have spoken to trees many times. If you focus on its beauty in meditation you can receive “feelings” from the tree that make you feel really good. Hugging it for around 10 minutes you will notice an increased feeling of wellbeing courtesy of the tree ? Same with lying down on grass. Nature is really here to serve us; and remind us what true balance looks like. Even a rock. It remains in a asana-like position (a long held comfortable position) showing me my calm, and immovable true nature.

These experiences make me beleive that nature has a mind, and also a collective mind that is symbiotically connected. Minds go very deep, they don’t have to be thoughts, it can be deeply subconscious, subtle feelings, subtle movements of energy etc.

Have a go sometime at being with some nature especially forests which are thousands of years old  It can even respond to our intentions, it’s been proven that sending love to a plant makes it grow bigger and more nutritious fruit with greatly increased amounts of prana. Research that if you want too. 

Its been nice talking.

Edited June 6, 2018 by Solace

[Ananta]

@Solace A rock is not a tree. A tree has a rudimentary subtle body, a rock does not.

[Ananta]

18 minutes ago, Etagnwo said:

Without an intellect i cannot understand that I am only one - the ever present one life witnessing an apparent projection called life 

Bingo! And only human subtle bodies have an intellect.

[pluto]

This may help

http://www.sensability.nl/wp-content/uploads/The-five-kingdoms-of-nature-October-27-2014.pdf

[Dodo]

10 hours ago, Azza said:

Being aware does not need our physical form as human beings. It does not need intelligence nor even being "alive". being aware of consciousness is just is. How many videos or books have you viewed that told you the way to enlightenment and to awareness is through letting go of what defines you and letting go of your ego and just living in the moment etc? That means ego blocks awareness and makes us feel separate. But then the whole universe doesn't have ego. Rocks, animals, chairs plants. All of those don't have an ego. So nothing is stopping them from being aware that they are just consciousness, of course if you ditch the idea that being aware needs a human form, since like said before, it is not needed to be aware. I know what im saying is the opposite of what leo said so I'm probably missing a point or just talking about a completely different thing, but why can't a rock be aware? What is stopping it? 

I don't think thats the opposite of what Leo is saying. It's definitely not the opposite of what Eckhart Tolle is saying though.

[blazed]

1 hour ago, Dodo said:

I don't think thats the opposite of what Leo is saying. It's definitely not the opposite of what Eckhart Tolle is saying though.

Actually Eckhart Tolle in the "power of now" clearly says you're a human being and you cannot revert back to be an animal or a plant, you cannot remove the mind.

There is nothing wrong with the ego, ego is the intellect that was created through years of evolution, the problem is when we identify with the ego, and believe it's stories, creating the story of myself and other.

Is a rock conscious?

The observer and the subject is one, the rock is YOU, you're not a Person looking at a rock, You're existence, the experience, emptiness and maya, which is having an experience of a human interacting with a rock, you can say you are nothing, but equally you are everything. The emptiness and Maya.

There is no other person, only existence itself, that bird you see on the street looking back at you? Well if you were infinite and you can dream infinite dreams one day in a timeless place you would dream the dream of that bird who happens to be looking back at the muppet you are today .

You are a self contained dream, you are the center of your universe, you are the bubble in an ocean.

@Azza

You're right, being doesn't need a human mind to be, it just is being, but the human expereince can appreciate being different to an animal or plant. Humans are like being and "self-aware" on the level of mind.

Edited June 7, 2018 by blazed

[who chit]

There is no rock,"out there". There's light waves bouncing off an object,sensed by the eye,interpreted by the brain, and reflected in the mind as what is conceptualized as "rock".

Just like there is no spoon

Edited June 7, 2018 by who chit

[Prabhaker]

12 hours ago, Azza said:

How many videos or books have you viewed that told you the way to enlightenment and to awareness is through letting go of what defines you and letting go of your ego and just living in the moment etc?

Unless you have an ego, how can you let it go. Your ego is dropped because you have it. If a child grows away from humans, he will not grow an ego. But he will not become enlightened , he will remain like an animal. The real can be known only through the false, so the ego is a must. One has to pass through it.

12 hours ago, Azza said:

That means ego blocks awareness and makes us feel separate. But then the whole universe doesn't have ego. Rocks, animals, chairs plants.

A fish if never comes out of a sea , will never know that it lives in a sea, unless fish is separated from the sea once. You have an ego that makes us feel separate; so, there is possibility that you can become aware that 'you are consciousness'. Without ego you can never know what you are missing.

Edited June 7, 2018 by Prabhaker

[Azza]

11 hours ago, Anna1 said:

It's actually the mind/intellect that is permeated/illumined by awareness that is aware. The rock has no mind, therefore can't be aware.

 

11 hours ago, Etagnwo said:

Without an intellect i cannot understand that I am only one - the ever present one life witnessing an apparent projection called life 

 

56 minutes ago, Etagnwo said:

The rock has no intellect, so it can't register that it is awareness itself. 

 

I think you guys are mistaken KNOWING with AWARENESS. you see, you do need a mind and intellect to KNOW. but you don't need it to be aware. during yoga or meditation you try to separate yourself from your mind, put a distance, only then you can actually experience consciousness. if anything, your mind with its chatter, stops you from being aware. 

and if intellect is needed to be aware, then why can't some animals be aware? some animals have intellect. 

16 minutes ago, Prabhaker said:

Without ego you can never know what you are missing.

31 minutes ago, blazed said:

There is nothing wrong with the ego, ego is the intellect that was created through years of evolution, the problem is when we identify with the ego, and believe it's stories, creating the story of myself and other.

i didn't say anything is wrong with ego nor did i say we should revert back to being animals. lol it is a beautiful thing that we came here. I only said ego makes it hard for you to realize you're pure consciousness, once you know that, you're already on the path to enlightenment. and like @Prabhaker said, you never "KNOW" what you're missing. but are you AWARE of what you're missing? that's the thing. again, intellect, ego, mind, helps you know and understand. but they do the opposite of helping you experience. 

[Azza]

2 hours ago, Outer said:

Why?

again, you're probably confusing the word aware with the word knowing. 

[Azza]

10 minutes ago, Etagnwo said:

@Azza sorry. But I'm not confused lol

I'm not the one asking questions 

8 minutes ago, Etagnwo said:

@Azza animals if they have intellect aren't developed enough to have asked the question " who am I"

It needs a developed enough mind to grasp these concepts 

asking who am i and trying to understand the logic behind reality has nothing to do with being conscious of consciousness. 

and I never said you're confused, I only said you probably don't understand what I'm referring at. It could be my problem not yours. 

 

[GabeN]

2 hours ago, blazed said:

You are a self contained dream, you are the center of your universe, you are the bubble in an ocean.

well said <3

[Ananta]

@Azza You just arent grasping (or so it seems) what me and @Etagnwo  are saying. It's ok.

[Azza]

22 minutes ago, Anna1 said:

@Azza You just arent grasping (or so it seems) what me and @Etagnwo  are saying. It's ok.

yeah we're probably just lost in words haha.

[Azza]

9 minutes ago, Etagnwo said:

Words are very important.

The right words tho. The right words point you to what is already the case:That I just got lost in billions of individual stories (you are one of those stories). When you understand that there is really only one I, you will see what I'm seeing. 

If you click on my profile and take a few days contemplating my words you will probably become self realised. 

i think the misunderstanding here is mutual. but the thing is, some people understood what i meant so i think my words arent so far off. it's just you can't grasp what i'm saying is all. 

And i don't think "spending days reading my words will make you self realized" is tempting enough for me to actually do it. it got me though. i actually laughed  

[Dodo]

4 hours ago, blazed said:

Actually Eckhart Tolle in the "power of now" clearly says you're a human being and you cannot revert back to be an animal or a plant, you cannot remove the mind.

There is nothing wrong with the ego, ego is the intellect that was created through years of evolution, the problem is when we identify with the ego, and believe it's stories, creating the story of myself and other.

Is a rock conscious?

The observer and the subject is one, the rock is YOU, you're not a Person looking at a rock, You're existence, the experience, emptiness and maya, which is having an experience of a human interacting with a rock, you can say you are nothing, but equally you are everything. The emptiness and Maya.

There is no other person, only existence itself, that bird you see on the street looking back at you? Well if you were infinite and you can dream infinite dreams one day in a timeless place you would dream the dream of that bird who happens to be looking back at the muppet you are today .

You are a self contained dream, you are the center of your universe, you are the bubble in an ocean.

@Azza

You're right, being doesn't need a human mind to be, it just is being, but the human expereince can appreciate being different to an animal or plant. Humans are like being and "self-aware" on the level of mind.

Irrelevant. Eckhart Tolle has stated that we live in a conscious universe. That everything is conscious. Has nothing to do with you becoming a plant. Don't go on such long tangents based on assumptions, it's hard to understand. 

Edited June 7, 2018 by Dodo