The Dark Side of Psychedelics

[dude]

Felt like sharing this poddo. Really opened my eyes to the potential dark sides of psychedelics that don't get a lot of attention.

 

[Crystalous]

Thank you,  really interesting and true !!!!!!!!

[Viking]

I feel like they are attached to their meanings and identity, hence the "problems" arise. "how do i communicate X", "how do i make the world a better place"... they create the dark side out of ignorance. psychedelics are insanely dangerous without self actualization.

[Crystalous]

1 minute ago, Viking said:

I feel like they are attached to their meanings and identity, hence the "problems" arise. "how do i communicate X", "how do i make the world a better place"... they create the dark side out of ignorance. psychedelics are insanely dangerous without self actualization.

With self actualisation is dangerous too.There are levels of actualisation and there are no rules.You can not distinguish the fake from the real, these substances are extremely powerful and we have no clue what exactly they are.We have no clue what we are, we have no clue what psychosis exactly is.It is the first complete view-opinion about the 'dark side' of psychedelics.Everyone here talks only for the goods but lets be realistic and smart!!!

[Viking]

22 minutes ago, Crystalous said:

You can not distinguish the fake from the real

that's precisely why you need self actualization, there is no "real", and you gotta know how to cope with that. If you're not gonna self actualize psychedelics can turn you into a lunatic easier.

I realize that also with self actualization it's dangerous, and caution is needed, but with enough caution and wisdom you can extract a lot of positive life changes without obtaining delusions.

[Crystalous]

35 minutes ago, Viking said:

that's precisely why you need self actualization, there is no "real", and you gotta know how to cope with that. If you're not gonna self actualize psychedelics can turn you into a lunatic easier.

I realize that also with self actualization it's dangerous, and caution is needed, but with enough caution and wisdom you can extract a lot of positive life changes without obtaining delusions.

Theres no "fake" either!

[Viking]

1 hour ago, Crystalous said:

Theres no "fake" either!

I agree, I think the most accurate state to be in is "dont know".

[now is forever]

On 6.6.2018 at 3:07 PM, Viking said:

I agree, I think the most accurate state to be in is "dont know".

yet

[Viking]

42 minutes ago, now is forever said:

yet

why? how can you know or not know something for certain?

except that youre aware i guess

[now is forever]

@Viking you never know anything until you know, and even then you might not know - but you know at least more or less than before 

“i don’t know” is just a comfort zone.

Edited July 28, 2018 by now is forever

[Viking]

@now is forever wat

[now is forever]

@Viking there is no exploration without an explorer. truth is what remains when you explore until it is shaken to be not true anymore. 

if you experienced both under exploration you at least know what is your truth.

Edited July 28, 2018 by now is forever

[Viking]

Just now, now is forever said:

@Viking there is no exploration without an explorer. truth is what remains when you explore until it is shaken to be not true anymore. 

but there's stuff you cant disprove. I cant disprove, even experientially, that there's no outside world. hence I stay in a place where I dont know.

[now is forever]

@Viking yes but why, just why does it matter? before you knew that, did you know what will come after death? or the next day? so why do you want to know what is outside of the now? because someone or some substance had the idea to mindfuck you? because we think we are already at the end of knowledge? 

but it’s easy to prove drug reality agains everyday reality. especially if you had some really bad trips.

Edited July 28, 2018 by now is forever

[Viking]

@now is forever its not a question of whether it matters or not, its a question of truth. the only thing i know for sure is that i exist, but that doesnt mean its the only truth that can be. the outside world can exist, i don't know

[Joseph Maynor]

Just now, Viking said:

@now is forever its not a question of whether it matters or not, its a question of truth. the only thing i know for sure is that i exist, but that doesnt mean its the only truth that can be. the outside world can exist, i don't know

Why are you trying to 'know' for Enlightenment?  That's like expecting a steak to taste like a strawberry.

[Viking]

@Joseph Maynor i dont care about enlightenment, i dont know what it is anymore.

what i care about is truth

[now is forever]

@Viking you want to catch air with a butterfly net.

[Viking]

@now is forever didnt get you.

all im saying is that i dont know about other potential truths, and the only truth that i do know is that i exist

[now is forever]

@Viking so you are an existentialist?

maybe you need to know what is your position in the world, by proving it against the theory of others.

found this, written against the toilet walls in a berlin toilet:

 

Edited July 28, 2018 by now is forever