Pouya

What is the difference between objective idealism and the true enlightenment?

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I'm following actualized.org for 3 months and since then, I'm in a deep confusion and self doubt. I'm losing my beliefs one by one and now I've watched "what is consciousness" video and i feel like what Leo talks about is idealism.

I know he is a experienced individual but how come these two topics are similar when one is a human philosophy and another is a universal truth?

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Hi welcome @Pouya , glad you could come join us.

To answer your question, there is a relationship between objective idealism and enlightenment.  Objective idealism is a essentially a description and philosophical position asserting the unity and lack of separation between the perceived and the perceiver.  Since it is a philosophical position, an appeal to reason and logic is necessary to make a case for its validity.  

However, when someone experiences the world in this way on a day to day basis, they are said to be enlightened.  An appeal to reason and logic becomes unnecessary because one has first hand experience of the truth.  Another way of explaining this is to say enlightenment is when one becomes conscious of one's true nature.  You come to understand what the self is, what the Self is, and what your relationship is to other living beings and the rest of the universe.  

I hope this helped.  In the mean time, embrace your confusion and self-doubt; you've already taken a few steps forward.  Good luck my friend.


"You will soon be going about like the converted, and the revivalist, warning people against all the sins of which you have grown tired."- Oscar Wilde

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Thank you so much for your useful answer! I will work on a daily mindfulness habit so maybe it can help me observe my emotions and mental states like this better. Now question is if I'm doing enlightenment work, should I stop reading about philosophy or spiritual books so i don't create concepts and take someone else's word as truth? 

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@Pouya I think that's going to depend on you and what your spiritual background is like.  Before I started on the path, I was an atheistic materialist who thought I already knew all the answers to life's mysteries.  I wouldn't have even considered enlightenment work because my beliefs were too fixed.  I needed the philosophical and spiritual books and materials to show me a) materialism is a supposition and a poor one at that b) there are incredibly intelligent and gifted people in this world who have transitioned from atheism to spiritualism and have never looked back c) evolution is an intelligent rather than a blind, dumb process of change d) the self is a concept and  e) there is a way to truly know existence.  

If you're already pretty open-minded and are ready to jump in, just do it.  A few books will help you learn some more techniques and terminology and avoid common pitfalls in this work, but from my experience, the techniques themselves make the greatest improvement in your quality of life.  This is a highly personal activity, so let your intuition guide you.  

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"You will soon be going about like the converted, and the revivalist, warning people against all the sins of which you have grown tired."- Oscar Wilde

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@Pouya A philosophy -- even if it is true -- is not the same thing as reality.

The map is not the territory.


You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity.

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