I’m a bit lost

[Nahm]

@fabriciom What about the human role? What about the thinker role? Ready to give those up? I was luckier than you are, I didn’t have charisma, charm and wit, and the pleasures they bring, to let go of. I didn’t have to contend with the fear of losing them. 

[The Don]

Hello.

Thank you for opening this great topic.

Take a look at this video:

The first stage of the part of self-enquiry.

- you are not your mind;

- you are not your body;

- you are not your thoughts;

- you are not your sensations;

- you are not your perceptions.

It is necessary to see what we are. Pure awareness. Pure consciousness.

 

[fabriciom]

I have gone through jed mckenna notebook audio book and I can't recommend it.

I noticed a lot of ego motivated content which to me is not part of an enlighten being.

It has some good points and its a "nice" read but to me it wants helpful.

[Leona]

@fabriciom   I totally feel you. The mind seems to be the obstacle and surely it is. But there is one fact that I became conscious of, and it may seem obvious, but it's a totally different thing to know about it in theory vs to experience it: Your mind is the one telling you to remove your mind first, before you can be free. This is twisted. Your mind tells you to remove itself which can not be done if you cling to the idea of removing it. So in practice, it means that you can let the mind talk, even when it thinks it found the solution. Because this solution is another idea seperating yourself from the moment...

[fabriciom]

On 9/5/2018 at 3:50 PM, Leona said:

@fabriciom   I totally feel you. The mind seems to be the obstacle and surely it is. But there is one fact that I became conscious of, and it may seem obvious, but it's a totally different thing to know about it in theory vs to experience it: Your mind is the one telling you to remove your mind first, before you can be free. This is twisted. Your mind tells you to remove itself which can not be done if you cling to the idea of removing it. So in practice, it means that you can let the mind talk, even when it thinks it found the solution. Because this solution is another idea seperating yourself from the moment...

I've found a boost recently by observation with more detail and braking down what the mind is doing.

Im also doing more things where before I was stuck in this do nothing state.

Edited September 6, 2018 by fabriciom

[LastThursday]

@fabriciom what you should aim for is full awareness of what the mind is. It's slippery to grasp, but the grasping is the problem.

There are two sides to it.

Firstly, the mind has a concept of itself which it calls 'the mind'. With this is makes up all sorts of stories and ideas about what it is and how it operates and how it should 'quieten itself' to be free of itself. This is the self referential aspect of it. It creates itself out of itself. It traps itself in itself.

Secondly, is the real mind. This is the observance that the mind exists. In other words there is a 'thing' which is outside or beyond the mind that can observe the mind in action. The 'thing' is emphatically not the mind - the 'thing' is you in all your glory. But the mind exists nonetheless, i.e. it is real.

If you want a metaphor it's like this:

Imagine you are riding the subway in a big city. You undestand the layout of the lines, where to change, and you can read all the station names. It is no effort at all to travel around it. You are part of it and it is part of you. You don't understand how it could be any different. You try by standing still on a platform and closing your eyes and hoping that it 'goes away' and that you can finally reveal the real you.

Then you are suddenly transported to another big city in a different country on a different subway. You don't understand a damn thing, you can't read the local language, you don't know the layout, you can't get around. But you finally realise what a 'subway' is and the fact that you've been trapped in one and that a subway is not part of you.

Ok, it's a lame metaphor, but hopefully you get the idea.

Edited September 5, 2018 by LastThursday
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[fabriciom]

@LastThursday Im sorry but I dot know agree with you. 

To me there is only one mind that does all the thinking.

In time we learn to disassociate from our thoughts and can see where they come from and chose which ones we let on or ignore.