Nothing that i think or realize changes how i feel?

[Dino D]

As I was younger when i let go, gave up, or changed perspectives, when I something that was important looked as less important and so on I felt relief, happy, motivated and so on...

Now I have deep insights, perspective changes, and realizations almost every day, but this does not change how I feel? witch all come from this spiritual path...

Example, I feel tense about my job and boss, then i realize I'm not my job, its not important, in fact I have a very good job, my boss went trought a lot in life, its not thet bad, he evan loves me, its just unconciuos behavior from him and so on, then I still feel the same about the situation. example 2 the need to watch porn or similar, i do self analyze to that, i can give it up for days, months, see the structure of that pull, the illusion, the realizations after watching it and that is not worth it, then againg the same pull ist there, nothing changed I feel the same... my bigest problem is to deeply relax, let go, accept, stop being anxious and i cant... there is control over this stuff in some degreess but they cant be overcomed, as I easily did when I was younger, sometimes i just went to sleep and it was gone for ever, now the same stuff is there for years...

The question can be also puted this way? How to embody (feel) the theory? Theory vs personal reality(feelings)

[Nahm]

@Dino D I’m not super confident I am understanding you, but if I am, sounds like you are seeing duality in big pieces. This might lead to seeing that it’s all how you’re seeing it. You saw something bad (work, boss, job) then saw that you can appreciate it. The same job suddenly looks different, opposite. An extreme example might be a beggar bothers you and you’re annoyed, vs a beggar triggers a deep love for humanity in you, and a deep appreciation for the life that you have, and you are not annoyed, you love him deeply, and help, just by showing love if nothing else. Am I understanding?

[Dino D]

1 hour ago, Nahm said:

@Dino D I’m not super confident I am understanding you, but if I am, sounds like you are seeing duality in big pieces. This might lead to seeing that it’s all how you’re seeing it. You saw something bad (work, boss, job) then saw that you can appreciate it. The same job suddenly looks different, opposite. An extreme example might be a beggar bothers you and you’re annoyed, vs a beggar triggers a deep love for humanity in you, and a deep appreciation for the life that you have, and you are not annoyed, you love him deeply, and help, just by showing love if nothing else. Am I understanding?

Partly... its more like: if the beger annoyed me he kept anoying me no matter what i do, or think... its the same with daily emotions, or emotions/states that last 4 months/years...

@Etagnwo thx man, i think youre right, but its very hard to break trought this, to face the emotion and pain... my ego/mimd is ,,briliant" in avoiding and suffering... i did meditate and did the wim hof method and other stuff daily, now not so often... i had two emotional relases in one year but nothing changed permanently, and i cant break trought... most of the time i get just more tens and angry, evan insomnia from this ,,work,,

[Nahm]

@Dino D Have you considered just giving up? Surrendering? It’s one thing to have a lot of responsibilities, and another to be angry and stressed about it. Circumstance & perspective. You can change both. Way easier to change perspective first. Nobody’s supposed to carry stress. That’s the nature of stress. Too-muchness. You can’t over come it, thinking is causing it. Thinking there’s a you which would need to over come and control something is really minimizing. You’d be trying to overcome you, and feeding the fight with thinking at the same time. That’s a lot to be carrying. 

Just cash out all together on this serious outlook, this grown up role. It’s really not you.  It’s the classic ego ransom trap where you have to give up your adult to get your kid back. You need to spend a few days doing whatever it is you like to do. That’s where the swap takes place, the ‘exchange’. Fun is underrated, spiritually speaking. It’s the electricity.  I think it’s hard for you to let go because you’re thinking in terms of control. It’s just not helpful to think we’re in control any more than it is to think we aren’t in control. Flowing, feeling connected, seeing many possibilities, feeling creative, just simple joy, that’s kid stuff. Have you ever gone on a Dino sized solo retreat?  Reconnect with your feelings and you’ll probably realize more viscerally. 

[Ether]

Have you tried establishing intense presence?

[Dino D]

1 hour ago, Etagnwo said:

@Dino D Also Dino, don't taken my word for it but research this yourself - you could Also have developed adrenal fatigue where your hormonal system gets out of whack from too much stress. The insomnia is a symptom. 

Look after yourself yeah? 

Peace 

Thx, also to @Nahm

Im working on my nutritition also... getting some improvement there...

Yea, i see, i kind of stoped the practuce because uf the side effects and because i was forcing it...

I will start agaung but more mindfully and with less ,,competitive goals"

Yea, my job and my personality makes me kind of an opssesive overthinker...

However your gidelines gave me a good idea of what the problem is and how to continue...

[Dino D]

1 hour ago, Ether said:

Have you tried establishing intense presence?

1 hour ago, Ether said:

Have you tried establishing intense presence?

Not really ? but i got much much more mindful in general...

[Dino D]

2 minutes ago, Etagnwo said:

Read thhe first chapter of the power of now. 

That's all you need. 

Really.

 

I did, long time ago... I understand this but its not real for me, i cant enbody it... many people read that book, and other books, videos and so on, go to seminars and nothing... I probbably have just to work every day for years, and then, maybe... i will make it... 

However taping into emotions and pain is possibile, I experienced it but its also very hard and the procces gave me evan additional problems and suffering... ah

[Nahm]

@Dino D Pretty tough case of serious here. You got a sprinkler you can run through or somethin? 

http://theabundantmystic.com/12-ways-to-bust-out-of-spiritual-seriousness/

https://m.wikihow.com/Stop-Taking-Life-Too-Seriously

Recognize him?

[Dino D]

2 minutes ago, Etagnwo said:

The side effects dino should be peace, aliveness, joy, less reactivity (not none - otherwise you're just denying and repressing - there is always "stuff" that comes up)...

Less brain fog, less physical tiredness, muscles relax, health improves..

That's the side effects of nowness.

Read that chapter and don't make it into a mission. There is nothing to understand mentally. You just relax and understanding comes naturally 

Thx

[Dino D]

18 minutes ago, Nahm said:

@Dino D Pretty tough case of serious here. You got a sprinkler you can run through or somethin? 

http://theabundantmystic.com/12-ways-to-bust-out-of-spiritual-seriousness/

https://m.wikihow.com/Stop-Taking-Life-Too-Seriously

Recognize him?

Haha, what a beautifull perspective... i really needed that... many of the things on this post are so accurate for me... like you know me better then I do... I saw troght so much and I still didnt saw the thing that have been said here... big thx

[Nahm]

@Dino D YOU make the jokes today, ok? You’re the lighter, funny guy today. What’s one day? Try it on. ?? Beauty tends to come right outta the woodwork for us silly heads. Let’s agree to laugh at ourselves today, every chance we find. We’ll laugh ourselves right out of our heads. I used to be serious too. You won’t miss him, I promise.

[Ether]

59 minutes ago, Nahm said:

@Dino D YOU make the jokes today, ok? You’re the lighter, funny guy today. What’s one day? Try it on. ?? Beauty tends to come right outta the woodwork for us silly heads. Let’s agree to laugh at ourselves today, every chance we find. We’ll laugh ourselves right out of our heads. I used to be serious too. You won’t miss him, I promise.

OLD NAHM IS DEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD

[Nahm]

@Ether Old boy fought a good fight.

@Faceless ???

[Ether]

@Nahm What do you mean?

[Faceless]

2 hours ago, Nahm said:

@Ether Old boy fought a good fight.

@Faceless ???

???