How To Disidentify With The Voice

[robdl]

1 hour ago, Faceless said:

@robdl

can you see that movement in your own experience?

It rings true personally, for sure. Now the mind goes, "indeed this is the case with fear, pleasure, and desire and how they interrelate, but what to do about it?"  Is it safe to say that there is nothing to do about it per se --- merely just to see it is sufficient?

[Faceless]

33 minutes ago, robdl said:

but what to do about it?

To do anything about it implies “positive action” 

 

The “i” that is separate from “it” is a movement of duality 

 

The “i” and “it” are one and the same movement. To take any action in accordance to that division inevitably leads to contradiction, and therefore confusion, conflict.

 

And any action taken by the self is a movement of will/volition “thought” and will only nourish and perpetuate that movement. 

33 minutes ago, robdl said:

Is it safe to say that there is nothing to do about it per se --- merely just to see it is sufficient?

Anything thought/self “the doer” does to “IT/thought/self” is a movement of volition/strife/duality/contradiction. This is positive action taken by thought/ego. 

 

 

To see/understand the whole of this is movement, “the nature, structure, and process of thought” is it’s own action of non-action. 

 

To negate all positive action of self/thought/duality/time, is the cessation of movement of thought/time. 

This is what is known as the ending of time. 

 

 It’s quite beautiful indeed

 

Edited May 29, 2018 by Faceless

[Faceless]

If this “ending of time becomes actual” then interesting things happen. 

 

Experience “memory” ceases to be carried over onto the present moment and there is an experiencing without the experiencer at all. 

 

Otherwise known as centerlessness. 

 

This is the timeless

Edited May 29, 2018 by Faceless

[robdl]

9 minutes ago, Faceless said:

To do anything about it implies “positive action” 

 

The “i” that is separate from “it” is a movement of duality 

 

The “i” and “it” are one and the same movement. To take any action in accordance to that division inevitably leads to contradiction, and therefore confusion, conflict.

 

And any action taken by the self is a movement of will/volition “thought” and will only nourish and perpetuate that movement. 

Anything thought/self “the doer” does to “IT/thought/self” is a movement of volition/strife/duality/contradiction. This is positive action taken by thought/ego. 

 

 

To see/understand the whole of this is movement, “the nature, structure, and process of thought” is it’s own action of non-action. 

 

To negate all positive action of self/thought/duality/time, is the cessation of movement of thought/time. 

This is what is known as the ending of time. 

 

 It’s quite beautiful indeed

 

This is some of the most cogent teaching I've ever come across.  Much appreciated. 

I hope people aren't skipping by these gems you're dropping.

[Sahil Pandit]

How about going meta on the voice? Who is listening to the voice? 

The voice can only chat with itself.

The mind can only speak to the mind.

There is a presence that is aware of the voice. Once this distinction is seen, the mind's power over "you" will begin to crumble.

@Rilles

[LastThursday]

@Sahil Pandit Who is listening to the voice? And what is asking the question?

[Sahil Pandit]

@LastThursday There is no answer from the mind  

[Faceless]

1 hour ago, robdl said:

Much appreciated. 

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[MarkusSweden]

8 hours ago, robdl said:

This is some of the most cogent teaching I've ever come across.  Much appreciated. 

I hope people aren't skipping by these gems you're dropping.

I'll have to agree! I read it carefully just because your comment! 

This is some of the greatest stuff I have yet come across at this forum

Pure gold.