How To Disidentify With The Voice

[robdl]

Just now, Faceless said:

Identification and fear are one and the same movement and mechanism. 

Observe this today. It’s quite interesting. 

thank you, Sir.

[Faceless]

@robdl

thank you??

[robdl]

If that is the mechanistic, self-perpetuating nature of fear, can the same be said for pleasure?  Movement toward pleasure not actually being the action of the "pleasure seeker", but the result of the action of pleasure itself?

[Faceless]

@robdl

1 minute ago, robdl said:

but the result of the action of pleasure itself?

Desire

desire evades fear towards pleasure

Edited May 29, 2018 by Faceless

[robdl]

Just now, Faceless said:

@robdl

Desire

Right. Better said.  Gotcha.

[robdl]

5 minutes ago, Faceless said:

@robdl

 

desire evades fear towards pleasure

can you clarify?

[Faceless]

2 hours ago, robdl said:

can you clarify?

Desire as “will/volition/fear/identification” and the action of desire/fear in the pursuit of pleasure.

And to escape, “pleasure”, is a reaction of fear. 

Therefore pleasure is a movement of and from fear that seeks security in that very same movement. 

All the same movement of thought ⭕️

Edited May 29, 2018 by Faceless

[Faceless]

@robdl Is that clear ?

sorry I made a few edits 

Edited May 29, 2018 by Faceless

[Faceless]

9 minutes ago, Outer said:

If there is an interest in stillness, you need to first be willing to change.

Movement of fear 

 

9 minutes ago, Outer said:

That might take awhile. Without a preference for stillness you will not change

Volition/bias “movement of fear” 

preference implies the experiencer which is a movement of thought. Therefore movement of contradiction/identification/duality 

 

9 minutes ago, Outer said:

You can notice that most of what you say you didn't think of before you said it.

This is because thought is mechanical/conditioned. Still a movement of thought. All a response of memory...This is unavoidable. 

Edited May 29, 2018 by Faceless

[Truth Addict]

@Rilles

I have this technique that I use myself, I kind of created it coincidentally.

It's very easy and simple, just use any word that has one sonant, make your inner voice say it continuously without ever ending. For example; I use the word 'Om', I make the inner voice say: 'Ooooooooooooo' forever without ever reaching to the 'M'. This gives me good space of no chatter and ability to be in touch with the Spirit.

I suggest you create a word that has no meaning, so you don't distract yourself with thinking about it.

[robdl]

27 minutes ago, Faceless said:

Desire as “will/volition/fear/identification” and the action of desire/fear in the pursuit of pleasure.

And to escape “pleasure” is a reaction of fear. 

Therefore pleasure is a movement of and from fear that seeks security in that very same movement. 

All the same movement of thought ⭕️

^This I'm struggling with to see for myself -- how pleasure and fear inter-relate.  What do you mean by "escaping pleasure" and it being a reaction of fear?  Isn't pleasure always held/attached onto, not escaped from?

Edited May 29, 2018 by robdl

[Faceless]

10 minutes ago, robdl said:

^This I'm struggling with to see for myself -- how pleasure and fear inter-relate.  What do you mean by "escaping pleasure" and it being a reaction of fear?

Great question. 

Pleasure is a movement of thought. 

To escape fear “pain” we seek security in pleasure “gratification” 

Once we capture this sense of gratification we record that experience and we seek that pleasure “experience of gratification again” 

In this attempt to repeat that experience we develop a fear that we may not achieve it again. Or that we will not be able to continually maintain that pleasure. 

The reason we escaped was fear and because we indulged manifested fear as well. 

All the contradictory movement of thought seeking security in its own contradicting movement.

Take any habit you have or have had. You will see this actually.

Edited May 29, 2018 by Faceless

[Faceless]

@robdl

can you see that movement in your own experience?

[Faceless]

Why would one seek pleasure in the first place??

Could it be one felt they needed something? Psychologically? 

Edited May 29, 2018 by Faceless

[Faceless]

Any movement to seek security psychologically is a movement of fear “thought” 

To seek psychological security in pleasure is a movement of fear. 

And leads to psychological insecurity “fear” 

Edited May 29, 2018 by Faceless

[Faceless]

1 hour ago, Outer said:

Without a preference for stillness you will not change

Preference/predisposition 

Reaction to fear. As fear is a movement of thought. 

And reaction in this case is a response to memory. Without memory there is no experiencer/preference. 

[Faceless]

Motive/preference is motion away from fear. 

A movement of fear/self/thought. 

[MarkusSweden]

28 minutes ago, Outer said:

It's not a movement of fear. It's understanding that one is the problem. Don't you think that you are the problem?

You express yourself in language and language is a movement of thought aka a movement of fear. 

I only use language to reach out to you within the matrix that you are stucked in.

When you find your true self and become free, you'll see for yourself there is no need for language since it is a movement of the mind, which is a movement from the self "image"

 

Edited May 29, 2018 by MarkusSweden

[Faceless]

8 minutes ago, MarkusSweden said:

You express yourself in language and language is a movement of thought aka a movement of fear. 

 

Even the self “image” is a movement of language

hehe⭕️

Edited May 29, 2018 by Faceless

[egoeimai]

1 hour ago, Etagnwo said:

I listened to the first 50 minutes of Eckhart Tolle's Power of Now and was set free almost immediately. 

I had to understand that I am always free, always have been, and always will be. That nothing that ever happened in life ever actually affected me in any way, shape or form! 

I was totally out of options and my thinking was completely insane. The world was a dark dark and hostile place, just like it was for Eckhart. I was so lost I felt that the burden of his dreadful life was so huge that it would take a billion lifetimes to unravel - such was the belief system I held. 

I still use the word "I" but it comes from awareness that i am really the ever present witness of my experience and not the person.  The person is still there, but he is much more clear, and he is not taken seriously for long. He is seen exactly for what he is, a system of thoughts and their emotional reflection in this body. 

I wouldn't say I'm enlightened.  Enlightenment is such and ordinary and natural state that I just feel like I'm no longer a victim of my thinking.

The insight that set me free was the understanding that the mind and emotional body are one thing and that they operate in a feedback system - thoughts reinforce emotions and emotion s reinforce thoughts. It's a loop that creates a kind of unstable and needy character. 

If you can see that it's this loop that creates all your unhappiness then you will become free of it. You have to understand that first. Admit that it's not external circumstances that cause you unhappiness, but your thoughts and feelings are the real cause of unhappiness. 

I presume that you are indeed unhappy - even if you are a confident person, I believe that unless the transformation has taken place in you, then ultimately you are still unhappy because egos oscillate on a spectrum of highs and lows. Inherent in an emotional high is an emotional low just waiting around the corner. 

The 'way out' is not to even try to do anything. Don't try to disidentify.  Instead become accutely aware of your breathing, your metabolism, the sounds and vibrations in the room.  Get out of your head and come to your senses. Then ask yourself "what is going on inside me at this moment?".  If you wait patiently and bring your attention back whenever your thoughts wander, you will be able to directly feel your emotion.  

Feel that emotion.  Don't think about it. If thinking happens then look at it impartially and don't but into it anymore. Understand that the thoughts are served to you from the pain body and realise that they are not an accurate representation of reality. 

Anchor yourself in nowness by keeping your attention on your metabolism, your hands and feet, your breathing and just feel what is already there. 

Don't try. Watch the tendency of the human mind to make a problem out of this emotion. Observe the resistance and don't make a personal problem out of your emotion. 

One session can free you from a lifetimes worth of egoic storytelling.  You just have to practice and let go of any need to do anything. You cannot do. You are not a doer. The mind is the doer. Once you see that the mind is the doer then you will understand with direct experience that you are already free. 

 

 

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