Is this nonduality ?

[Spinoza]

I'm trying to understand non duality, 

I can see the duality and the non duality (for me now both are right, it depend from which angle we see it) but i can't clearly see that the duality is not real and only the non-duality which is real

I came up to an idea that seem to me clear, that we are all a "one" experiencing "himself" in an unlimited number of different experience, every experience is a person

Me and you = the same essence, we look separate and different because of material world influence that created a different experience and a different visual 

If we erase all the material world's influence and the characteristics that we did not choose, the only thing that remains, it that we are the same "thing" "same essence" 

The other person you see, is you. If you had the same experience, background, genetic, environment. you will see clearly that he is you

i don't know if this is a way to explain non-duality, for me it make a lot of sense.

[Guest Quanty]

Non-duality cannot be put in concepts nor language, try as you might. 

The unspoken cannot be spoken. 

The only way is to wake up and experience it. 

[Ananta]

@Spinoza here's an analogy. Spinoza is a wave, thinking it's a seperate volitional entity (a person), but it is a part of the ocean (the world), but both are none other then H2O/water (consciousness/awareness), appearing as the ocean and a wave. 

So, the person is really one with the world and the person and the world are nothing more then awareness/consciousness.

Nonduality means, not two. So, the manifest and nonmanifest are one.

Nisargadatta Maharaj — 'Wisdom tells me I am no-thing. Love tells me I am every-thing and between the two my life flows.'

[Ananta]

4 minutes ago, Mikael89 said:

@Anna1

Exactly.

Or like my picture The drop in the picture isn't actually detached from the ocean, maybe you can see it.

Oh, cool! Yes, I like the wave/ocean analogy. I usually just use wave (person) and ocean (as consciousness), but I like it better written out fully, like above. The other is when I'm being lazy or making a quick point. 

[Faceless]

The nondual is when the dualistic is not.

Any attempt to capture by conceptualization and “description” that which is nondual is dualistic. 

If the dualistic mind is the fact in oneself, then nonduality is not. 

 

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[Faceless]

Why do we cling to nondual ideas? 

Why do we defend those ideas?? 

Why do we share nondual teachings without embodying them???

Could it be we are still bound by things/the conditioned mind, and conforming to ideas to seek psychological security “movement of duality” ????

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[Empty]

nonduality is what it is always real. 

 

You are awareness. Awareness is another name for you. Since you are awareness, there is no need to attain o cultivate it. All you have to do is to give up the idea of being other than awareness. 

[Empty]

19 hours ago, Spinoza said:

every experience is a person

Person is the hindrance. The real "I" is presence. Pure awareness. 

[Faceless]

12 minutes ago, Empty said:

All you have to do is to give up the idea of being other than awareness

Isn’t this cultivation? Movement of the chooser..dualistic movement 

Is this a movement of unawareness??

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[Empty]

@Faceless That's the paradox! 

[Faceless]

5 minutes ago, Empty said:

@Faceless That's the paradox! 

That’s Contradiction...of mind. DISORDER

An expression of fragmentation. 

Edited May 27, 2018 by Faceless

[Saumaya]

19 hours ago, Spinoza said:

but i can't clearly see that the duality is not real and only the non-duality which is real

Can two Absolute Truths exist?? You must ask yourself this.

This is a excerpt from my book

Non Duality Explained

 

Non dual literally means ‘not two’ or that no two truths can exist. 

 

It is based on two assumptions:-

 

Objective knowledge isn’t possible as reality that we experience is constantly changing

Reality as we know it is One not two

 

Thus, There is Only One Truth and that Truth is All

 

Now you may ask, as to how we have come to these two conclusions?

Aren’t these two assumptions also two truths?

 

 

Non Duality Derived 

We can’t say that truth does not exist, as it would amount to a logical contradiction.

To say that truth does not exist is a self nullifying statement.

So we conclude that TRUTH exists.

Lets classify Truth with a capital ’T’ as something of which we can be absolutely certain. 

 

So Truth is something that is: 

Not subject to change 

Makes one absolutely certain of it

 

Thus, Qualities of something Absolutely True must be not be subjected to any duality

It must be :

Timeless

Omnipresent

Impersonal

Constant and Unchanging

Not subjected to any limitations i.e Infinite

False never existed, Only Truth exists so it contains everything

There can’t be two absolute truths so Absolute Truth is not subjected to any duality

 

Now we have to say that something exists for sure, lets call it Consciousness 

So, if Absolute Truth is Everything

And, consciousness Exists

Consiousness is Everything

 

What is Self

There are two types of self:

Self with a capital “S” and self with a lower “s”

 

’S'elf is your true self whereas ’s'elf is your conceptual self.

The conceptual self includes:

Your memories

Beliefs

Assumptions

Associations

 

The True Self includes:

Everything that is left when the conceptual self is removed or we can say simply Being

 

Thus if Consciousness is everything

You experience that consciousness through your true self

Thus comes the saying Tat Tvam Asi ( You are it )

[Saumaya]

19 hours ago, Spinoza said:

I came up to an idea that seem to me clear, that we are all a "one" experiencing "himself" in an unlimited number of different experience, every experience is a person

Can you really confirm the existence of other consciousness like yourself?

[Faceless]

27 minutes ago, Saumaya said:

S'elf is your true self whereas ’s'elf is your conceptual self.

The conceptual self includes:

Your memories

Beliefs

Assumptions

Associations

 

Unless this ends “duality” then anything from that dualistic perspective remains a conceptualized idea by the little self. 

 

So unless this “little self” is not, then any talk of higer self is only a product of mind “thing” or “think”

Do you see what I mean? 

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[Faceless]

I feel if we could somehow point people in the right direction so they could find out this by themselves, that would lead to holistic embodiment in “being nondual” as compared with a conceptualization “dualistic” perspective of what is nondual. 

 

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[Saumaya]

1 hour ago, Faceless said:

So unless this “little self” is not, then any talk of higer self is only a product of mind “thing” or “think”

 

I dont mean higher self, true self is consciousness only

[Saumaya]

9 minutes ago, Mikael89 said:

"You experience | that consciousness".

Sounds dualistic?

A better one would be: (Just) consciousness?

Yes I what I mean is consciousness only, I just use more words for the sake of understanding

[Saumaya]

1 hour ago, Saumaya said:

The True Self includes:

Everything that is left when the conceptual self is removed or we can say simply Being

 

@Faceless

[Faceless]

11 minutes ago, Saumaya said:

Yes I what I mean is consciousness only, I just use more words for the sake of understanding

You do understand my intentions right?

The tremendous importants of not adding to anothers consciousness but simply pointing at the necessity an empty one. 

 

 

[Faceless]

2 minutes ago, Mikael89 said:

Yea that's pretty much what this whole forum category is about.

If we are adding to others consciousness we have failed ourselves. We are then contributing to he disorder of the stream of consciousness.

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