Self deception

[Faceless]

What are some of the ways in which one can get caught up in delusion, illusion, and self deception in the search for truth??

 

In seeing the various forms of self deception that may arise we may be able to prevent getting caught up in our own fabrications. I find that this is a very essential question to go into. What do you guys think? 

 

Edited May 24, 2018 by Faceless

[Saumaya]

Seven deadly sins

Looking outward instead of inward

Concentrating on million different things rather than one

Searching for Truth and fulfilment in the materialistic world

Thinking that duality or plural world has to be true

[Prabhaker]

Man of knowledge knows nothing but he thinks he knows. Without knowing, to believe that one knows is to remain forever rooted in ignorance. Knowledge is the enemy although it appears as the friend. You may be able to convince even others that you know, you may be able to strengthen your ego, you may become very famous, you may be known as a great scholar, but deep down there is nothing but darkness.

The ignorant is in a far better situation. At least he has no pretensions, at least he is not deceiving others and himself. 

[Faceless]

@Saumaya @Prabhaker

Those are good ones. Thanks 

 

Anybody have any more? 

Edited May 24, 2018 by Faceless

[Colin]

@Prabhaker I vehemently disagree. Ignorance is the worst possible fate for both the individual and humanity at large. Your comment is a sign of ignorance.

[Telepresent]

33 minutes ago, Faceless said:

What are some of the ways in which one can get caught up in delusion, illusion, and self deception in the search for truth??

 

In seeing the various forms of self deception that may arise we may be able to prevent getting caught up in our own fabrications. I find that this is a very essential question to go into. What do you guys think? 

 

The mind is 'mine', rather than I am a product of mind. Or consciousness is 'mine', rather than I am a product of consciousness. Seems pat or basic but is, perhaps, critical

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[Saumaya]

9 minutes ago, Colin said:

@Prabhaker I vehemently disagree. Ignorance is the worst possible fate for both the individual and humanity at large. Your comment is a sign of ignorance.

Lol if you disagreed, you didn't get what he said

[Faceless]

10 minutes ago, Colin said:

@Prabhaker I vehemently disagree. Ignorance is the worst possible fate for both the individual and humanity at large. Your comment is a sign of ignorance.

I think he is referring to primal ignorance. 

Which is beautiful. It is actully the highest form of intelligence. When the the movement of the self/thought/time ceases.....Centerlessness. 

 

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[Faceless]

7 minutes ago, Telepresent said:

The mind is a product of me (as opposed to I am a product of the mind)

Are you sure?

You are saying we “self” are the product of the mind right? 

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[Prabhaker]

Socrates said, "All I know is that I know nothing".

[tsuki]

4 minutes ago, Saumaya said:

Lol if you disagreed, you didn't get what he said

@Colin knew what @Prabhaker said and this is why he disagreed.
Isn't that the funniest thing in the world?

[Faceless]

3 minutes ago, Prabhaker said:

Socrates said, "All I know is that I know nothing".

I thought you were referring to experiencing without the veil of experience acting as a mirage 

[Telepresent]

9 minutes ago, Faceless said:

Are you sure?

You are saying we “self” are the product of the mind right? 

9 minutes ago, Faceless said:

 

[zoey101]

I personally think not knowing is so much more fun. When I finally came out and realized that I knew NOTHING about the world other than my small encounters with it, I became a little more relaxed about things in my life. It's still tough, but it's all part of the big adventure

 

@Faceless I think routine is maybe one that comes to my mind. As you get older and have kids, a job, and whatever else piles on to your plate, you can easily get stuck in a routine and, sometimes, it feels almost impossible to deviate from it. 

[Telepresent]

12 minutes ago, Faceless said:

Are you sure?

You are saying we “self” are the product of the mind right? 

Something went wrong there! I mean that I - the ego - is a product of mind. A product of consciousness. And yet ego likes to speak of 'my mind, my consciousness', as though it is prior to them or owner of them 

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[Telepresent]

Ooh, also: ego is a thing

[Faceless]

2 minutes ago, Telepresent said:

Something went wrong there! I mean that I - the ego - is a product of mind. A product of consciousness. And yet ego likes to speak of 'my mind, my consciousness', as though it is prior to them or owner of them 

Yeah 

I knew what you meant after a second. 

That is very important to indeed. 

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[Telepresent]

2 minutes ago, Faceless said:

That is very important to indeed. 

Yet surprisingly hard to really accept

[Faceless]

5 minutes ago, zoey101 said:

 

I personally think not knowing is so much more fun.

 

I agree. After all anything of the mind is never truth. 

And yes routine is a B 

Routine when it comes to the psychological realm is very destructive. I understand what you are speaking of. 

[Faceless]

1 minute ago, Telepresent said:

Yet surprisingly hard to really accept

That’s because the self’s very function is to maintain permanence. 

To fully and totally understand the self/mind can bring about a cessation of the very movement that feeds the self. 

Therefore it won’t be a conceptualization about the self being a product of mind but the self “knowledge, past experience, through memory” actully slows and can end. 

This is the final frontier to centerlessness.