What is meditation that is not a movement of thought?

[Faceless]

Just now, zoey101 said:

Do you mean like how depending on what society and surroundings you are brought up in, that can determine your way of thinking?

Sure that’s one part of it. 

This is why I think it’s good to go into the nature of thought. 

[zoey101]

1 minute ago, Faceless said:

Sure that’s one part of it. 

This is why I think it’s good to go into the nature of thought. 

I'm glad I get some of it lol 

What's the other part/parts?

[Faceless]

6 minutes ago, zoey101 said:

I'm glad I get some of it lol 

What's the other part/parts?

I would just observe the cultural conditioning for now. Why you and others do, act, assume, conclude, and so on. You will start to see patterns in yourself and others more and more. 

Edited May 15, 2018 by Faceless

[Faceless]

My little buddy just got home 

[zoey101]

6 minutes ago, Faceless said:

I would just observe the cultural conditioning for now. Why you and others do, act, assume, conclude, and so on. You will start to see patterns in yourself and others more and more. 

Okay

4 minutes ago, Faceless said:

My little buddy just got home 

You enjoy him 

[cetus]

You know we make this sound a lot like rocket science or something but we all experienced this as children. Remember those special moments when reality was complete within itself. No yesterday. No tomorrow. No false image of self doing the looking.  As @blazed said 'pure consciousness'. Much easier for innocent children to access. No partition of mind to get in the way. 

[Faceless]

10 minutes ago, Mikael89 said:

 

So how can we end psychological time?

Funny thing is when you ask that question of ”how do I” you invite time as a means to end time. 

It's very subtle. 

Edited May 15, 2018 by Faceless

[Nahm]

Lmao.....psychedelics. 

[cirkussmile]

4 minutes ago, Faceless said:

Funny thing is when you ask that question of ”how do I” you invite time as a means to end time. 

It's very subtle. 

4 hours ago, Faceless said:

But this isn't about me. We are trying to see what meditation is not. 

We know that it is not a movement of time right?  

So let's see what movements prevent timelessness together 

When people ask "How do I end..."

We can say do nothing or we can say meditation ?

 

 

[Faceless]

@Mikael89

Well to make it simple you need to see that in most cases we are constantly moving away from, ”escaping” suffering and in that escape create more suffering. We depend on thought ”time” to end our psychological problems. But thought is the root of all psychological problems. 

I think we need to understand how our motive to become psychologically secure creates a mechanical ”habitual” compulsion to seek psychological security in thought. Which makes it worse. In most cases dramatically so. 

I saw that as a fact. It just hit me one day and I ended it. 

Edited May 16, 2018 by Faceless

[Faceless]

6 minutes ago, Nahm said:

Lmao.....psychedelics. 

I don’t want to get into this but, if one lives in total order then there is no need to seek anything. Truth doesn’t seek. 

As I have said, one can move in time until they see they don’t need to. Or one can just end time now. That simple. 

Some may not want to go through the hoops. You know? 

 

Edited May 16, 2018 by Faceless

[Faceless]

10 minutes ago, cirkussmile said:

When people ask "How do I end..."

We can say do nothing or we can say meditation ?

 

 

When one asks how that implies thought is formulating possible methods, techniques, and so on. It then depends on time “knowledge/experience” to solve its psychological problems. But thought is the reason for all psychological problems. This is a fact. 

Im not in opposition to anything as only thought plays the game of opposite. I am just being impartial. It has nothing to do with my opinion or point of view. 

If one wants to use psychedelics and techniques , cool ? 

Edited May 16, 2018 by Faceless

[Faceless]

You guys see where I’m coming from? 

[Nahm]

@Faceless There is sometimes the impression that an issue with authority could inspire a uni-vision for one’s own order as correct, dismissing all else to undermine the projected ‘authority’, dismissing something that has helped millions of people become much happier. Some even enlightened. 

[cirkussmile]

@Nahm I feel you have years and years of experience. Wise old man ?❤️

 

I stumbled across this from a vipassana teacher.

“It is a basic human need that everyone wants to live a happy life. For this, one has to experience real happiness. The so-called happiness that one experiences by having money, power, and indulging in sensual pleasures is not real happiness. It is very fragile, unstable and fleeting. For real happiness, for lasting stable happiness, one has to make a journey deep within oneself and get rid of all the unhappiness stored in the deeper levels of the mind. As long as there is misery at the depth of the mind all attempts to feel happy at the surface level of the mind prove futile.”

~S.N. Goenka

 

[Faceless]

@Nahm Not my intention to dismiss

Just sharing that a path is not absolutely necessary for all. It’s an option or possibility that can be found within the field of choice. 

But few may prefer a choiceless, pathless, and direct approach.

 

No methods, No techniques, No practices, and No fixed mechanical patterns to be conformed to. 

To approach the ”dynamic now” without that which is static ”the old” 

Consider this the Jeet kune do of liberation.   

??

[Nahm]

@Faceless That’s awesome. ?❤️

 

@cirkussmile Thanks. Love that quote!

[cirkussmile]

9 minutes ago, Faceless said:

@Nahm Not my intention to dismiss

Just sharing that a path is not absolutely necessary for all. It’s an option or possibility that can be found within the field of choice. 

But few may prefer a choiceless, pathless, and direct approach.

 

No methods, No techniques, No practices, and No fixed mechanical patterns to be conformed to. 

To approach the ”dynamic now” without that which is static ”the old” 

Consider this the Jeet kune do of liberation.   

??

Do you experience happiness and love? ❤️?❤️

[Faceless]

24 minutes ago, cirkussmile said:

Do you experience happiness and love? ❤️?❤️

 

It's only in experience that one has invited the dualism of happy and not happy. 

 

But it is only in an experiencing or what I call non-experience ”free of the experiencer” that love comes into being. 

 

As the essence of TRUTH is it's own          action/expression of creativity, joy, beauty, compassion and love. 

 

These qualities are only when the thinker/center or ”time” is not.

[Prabhaker]

10 hours ago, Faceless said:

Can we move from time to the timeless?

We can not move from time to the timeless, we can not achieve timelessness, thoughtlessness by doing something. It happens when you know the knack of total relaxation, remain unoccupied, aware. When you have learned how to be utterly silent, unmoving, undisturbed, effortlessly. 

'Sitting silently, 
doing nothing, 
the spring comes 
and the grass grows by itself.'

It is not your effort that brings the spring; it comes, in its turn. And when the spring comes, you don’t have to pull the grass and make earnest effort so that it grows , it grows on its own accord.