Quantum mechanics

[sarapr]

Maybe here is not the place to discuss this but I thought it would be cool to do so .

I learned this new thing about quantum mechanics which I hadn't payed attention to before.

You know how electrons are allowed to have quantised amounts of energy in each energy level that they're currently at and if they get enough energy they can move to the next level, right? But they can't move between the two levels, not like real movement but even that process of getting from the energy level that they're at to the energy level where they want to be, they can't go through that procces because then it would mean obtaining an amount of energy which they're not allowed to have so what they do is that they travel through time !!

Very interesting but the question is why would energy make an electron travel through time? Why would it even be that a second later the electron would want to be on a higher level of energy? Why not sth else? How does energy start a time travel?   

What do you think?

[Leo Gura]

Time is an illusion.

Reality is not causal. Nothing causes anything else. Cause and effect is an illusion.

Infinity just is.

[sarapr]

22 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Time is an illusion.

Reality is not causal. Nothing causes anything else. Cause and effect is an illusion.

Infinity just is.

Well you just threw everything out the window. Good 

[RichardY]

I think QM is a fancy way of saying chance. Now how to deal with chance, as I personally hold it as a concept, no idea.

[Leo Gura]

Reality doesn't work by chance at all. It only seems that way when the linear materialistic mind cannot fathom nonlinear infinity.

When a scientist says "chance" or "random", what he really means is: "It's too complex for me to figure out in detail. And I don't want to admit it because I know best and science knows all. So chance."

[Faceless]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

When a scientist says "chance" or "random", what he really means is: "It's too complex for me to figure out in detail. And I don't want to admit it because I know best and science knows all. So chance."

Yep. 

Expectancy, one of the very limiting aspects of thought. 

 

[RichardY]

@Leo Gura I suppose that's correct. Science is knowing and chance is not. Trying to construct something solid. I wonder how someone might drop the concept of chance all together. 

 

[Faceless]

1 minute ago, RichardY said:

I wonder how someone might drop the concept of chance all together. 

By seeing the nature of its limitation?

But chance being a movement of thought doesnt like impermanence or uncertainty, which is a direct expression of its very limit. Hehehe?

[Leo Gura]

12 minutes ago, RichardY said:

@Leo Gura I suppose that's correct. Science is knowing and chance is not. Trying to construct something solid. I wonder how someone might drop the concept of chance all together. 

 

Awaken

[RichardY]

10 minutes ago, Faceless said:

By seeing the nature of its limitation?

But chance being a movement of thought doesnt like impermanence or uncertainty, which is a direct expression of its very limit. Hehehe?

Yes even chance works within limits. Trying to work with smaller blocks, QM just seems to be a magic word. Different shading of language and the limits to what the mind can concieve of.

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Awaken

Too addicted to Ego for that. Would prefer to look for ways to shore it up.

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, RichardY said:

Too addicted to Ego for that. Would prefer to look for ways to shore it up.

Lol

[Faceless]

14 minutes ago, RichardY said:

Yes even chance works within limits.

It’s a movement of thought?

Thought/desire in its very function leads to contradiction. 

I don’t know QM. But I know thought. Hehe

Edited April 29, 2018 by Faceless

[RichardY]

13 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Lol

Exactly.

6 minutes ago, Faceless said:

It’s a movement of thought?

Thought/desire in its very function leads to contradiction. 

I don’t know QM. But I know thought. Hehe

Kind of like. Paradise Lost. "The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a heaven of hell, a hell of heaven."

[Faceless]

10 minutes ago, RichardY said:

Kind of like. Paradise Lost. "The mind is its own place

Hehe

 

10 minutes ago, RichardY said:

and in itself can make a heaven of hell, a hell of heaven."

That’s it’s fuction lol 

It definitely “chooses” one or another. ?

Edited April 29, 2018 by Faceless

[Elisabeth]

On 4/29/2018 at 9:49 PM, sarapr said:

they can't go through that procces because then it would mean obtaining an amount of energy which they're not allowed to have so what they do is that they travel through time !!

Whatever your source of information (can you give it?) they likely don't refer to real time-travel. More an uncertainty-relations type of thing. Not sure about details.

[Guest Quanty]

The reality cannot be measured using the illusion. 

How do you measure when the molecule of water is many times bigger than the holes they enter the human cell? In a microscope one will see as the water and cell simply uses some king of "tele-transportation" to reach the other end. Reality is fascinating. 

See reality through all your senses (at least 6), and reality will become sci-fi for the average mind. 

[Viking]

I study physics, quantum mechanics is a course I take right now. 

"time" in physics is much different than time we normally talk about. it's all in the equations, you dont have the intuitive level of understanding which would allow you to understand what's REALLY described here. when people describe a physical experiment they dont use the same meaning of the words which most people use.

Also, time is explained by general relativity, and general relativity doesnt go well with quantum mechanics as you might know. since we're talking about quantum mechanics here that stuff has nearly no meaning, because the theoretical framework upon which all of this is built is somewhere false.

Edited May 1, 2018 by Viking

[Faceless]

@Viking

 

Time is thought?

what is used to study QM? 

[Viking]

12 minutes ago, Faceless said:

what is used to study QM? 

if you ask for the technicalities, quantum mechanics operates using 3 basic axioms. people just came up with that stuff to explain experimental data. it mainly uses linear algebra i.e. matrices and vectors to represent ultimately the probability of having a certain measurement.

[Faceless]

32 minutes ago, Viking said:

linear algebra i.e. matrices and vectors to represent ultimately the probability of having a certain measurement.

Thought. 

No matter what the observer invites time “thought”... can’t be separated actually. 

Right? 

Thats why time “the observer” is relevant?

 

Edited May 1, 2018 by Faceless