Ideas lost in language

[Faceless]

2 hours ago, TylerJ said:

Anything you ever know about anybody is your projection.

This here is the root of relationship problems.

if I form an image about you and you form one about me we are not actually in relationship. We are both projecting. Actual communion implies no idea “image” 

This applies to ones self to.  In this case the projection doesnt meet the actuality of why is. Then there is contradiction, confusion, conflict, suffering.

Edited April 28, 2018 by Faceless

[Faceless]

@TylerJ

Well practicing non judgment is still a movement of thought/duality. You are still moving within the field of thought. Choice/volition/effort being of thought are actions that are expressed according to memory which is static/old. In relationship If any new moment is influenced by that which is static “the past” there will be conflict because you have projected your own concluded conceptualized content of the self/ego “image” in place of what actually is “uncertainty”..ego/thought doesnt like that?...Any influence of the past such as conclusions, beliefs, assumptions, ideas, and so on get projected and imposed on to each new moment, even interactions with others and your environment. Your meeting others/ environment according to your own conceptualizations which are totally false and partial. At this point you have imposed “your own meaning” onto relationship, and that meaning is never the truth. This obviously will lead to confusion, contradiction, conflict. 

Again, You are meeting each moment according to the past “the old” with the present which is totally new. This is a contradiction because you are imposing an image of what you have known “idea” onto to what is “a fact” or what is the case. If there is no content “the old” meeting the present moment, “social interaction, or interaction with surroundings” that is creativity/love/intelligence. In that their is no self imposed image that is attached to and pursued as most important. 

If this was confusing I’m sorry, my son doesn’t give me much space to relax and give the clearest response.? 

If I were you I would not practice non judgment as that is still a movement of choice which is still thought bound. It’s important not choose to judge or non judge but simply watch the movement of both without choosing. Try this for now if you want. ?

Also it’s essential that you explore and become aware of the movement of psychological time. To me it’s the most important thing you can do. To be aware of the whole movement of thought.

 

Edited April 29, 2018 by Faceless

[tsuki]

7 hours ago, TylerJ said:

Ive come to realize this when I started to practice non judgment.

The weird thing is I feel less connected to people and the universe now because I know it’s all hallucination.

It’s quite depressing honestly. It’s like I’m constantly saying to myself that everything is wrong because it’s not real, that includes relationships, happiness, love, science, and even words and their meanings and definitions are starting to make no sense.

I don’t know, I guess im waiting to see the “all love” aspect of this. But as of right now nothing makes much sense and I feel delusional and incoherent with the “outside world”. Any advice on this?

@TylerJ Let me walk you through what 'all love' is.

Imagine that you fight with your girlfriend. That shit really gets down so much that you throw plates and shit.
You learn that she cheated on you and took a 2 week trip to Hawaii with her boyfriend and lied that she went to take care of her mother that has cancer. You really loved her mother and she was always a wonderful person and you were depressed for two weeks and now it turns out that not only she cheated on you, but her lie made you suffer while she was happily whoring herself out!
And yeah, she took all the money off your car fund that you saved up for your dream car because she told you that her mother needs it for surgery and she spent it all on the trip! You told yourself: uh oh look how enlightened I am, I don't need this car and my poor peasant unelightened girlfriend needs her mother so of course I will give her money! I am a good enlightened person! You were so stupid and so short-sighted!
And guess what?
That boyfriend she took off with is your best friend that was supposed to be your best man on the wedding you were planning next year. You love this guy and knew him since childhood and it turns out that he's also fake? What the fuck?!

This is what love is. Not the love to your girlfriend, but the love of reality.
If you really imagined that, lived that, you saw the face of love. To love reality is to forget that you forgot.
You forgot that she is not your girlfriend, but a projection of what you imagined about her. A mental construct.

You think that it's impossible to imagine this vividly? To forget that it is just your imagination?
Guess what - you forgot that you forgot that this is a text made of letters that are made of pixels of your device.
You forgot that you have eyes that need to blink and that you breathe. 

You do not see love because you love to not see.

Edited April 29, 2018 by tsuki

[Maycol]

Dear @tsuki, reading your postings on this thread is tremendously helpful. You are very good at breaking things down to the meta level. What has been the most helpful resource to you to reach this level of consciousness and realization if you don't mind sharing? Thank you!

[Maycol]

Not only all we experience is a mental constructed idea of everyone else, we also just experience an idea of ourselves too then according to this deconstruction method, yes?

[Faceless]

5 minutes ago, Maycol said:

Not only all we experience is a mental constructed idea of everyone else, we also just experience an idea of ourselves too

?Yes, that is why we project mental construction onto others. 

Not sure what you mean by deconstruction method ? 

[tsuki]

28 minutes ago, Maycol said:

Dear @tsuki, reading your postings on this thread is tremendously helpful. You are very good at breaking things down to the meta level. What has been the most helpful resource to you to reach this level of consciousness and realization if you don't mind sharing? Thank you!

Repeated exposure to reality shattering on me and attentive watching it rebuild itself.
I had four major events in life that shred my image of what I even am. You can read about two of them here:

I simply always wanted to get to the bottom of things. To know the truth.
Then I understood that reality is illusion. Now I'm trying to understand how and produce these posts.

If you want to hear more I'll keep answering questions. It's very helpful to me as well to formulate them clearly.

[Nahm]

4 minutes ago, tsuki said:

I simply always wanted to get to the bottom of things. To know the truth

❤️

[tsuki]

@Maycol When it comes to books, I can recommend Heidegger's Being and Time and Wittgenstein's Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus.
They are dense, but worth it for people with analytical minds that get trapped into solving riddles.

You can also look into Derrida and Stoicism in general.

[tsuki]

21 minutes ago, Maycol said:

Not only all we experience is a mental constructed idea of everyone else, we also just experience an idea of ourselves too then according to this deconstruction method, yes?

All I can say is this: remember to forget to forget.
You are what you forget as much as what you remember.

This 'deconstruction method' is simply attention to self-reference in thought.
Thought is blind to itself. I think that I write, but really I write that I think that I write. That was also blind to itself.

When you get this - there will be a shift.

[Faceless]

@tsuki

great awakening sharing??

[tsuki]

1 minute ago, Faceless said:

@tsuki

great awakening sharing??

[Faceless]

7 minutes ago, tsuki said:

This 'deconstruction method' is simply attention to self-reference in thought.
Thought is blind to itself. I think that I write, but really I write that I think that I write. That was also blind to itself.

 

Ah yes. We talked about this. 

Thought cannot see its own movement. 

?