Do you believe in patriotism?

[Guest]

Attachment to an idea.  Those who seek true liberation will discover that ideology and emotions introduce limitations that are contrary to liberation.

From Wikipedia:

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Patriotism is an emotional attachment to a nation which an individual recognizes as their homeland. This attachment, also known as national feeling or national pride, can be viewed in terms of different features relating to one's own nation, including ethnic, cultural, political or historical aspects.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriotism

Liberation, in the way we speak of it, transcends the need for identification with concepts such as patriotism.  This is one of the things that we have to let go willingly, joyfully, without a struggle, for we are much more than the identity that we "think" we are.

joy

 

Edited February 9, 2016 by walt

[Kelley White]

@Keyblade Viking - Tobias Hahah You know I was thinking about this very clip.  Its so funny because I do this sometimes since its genetically accidental the Irish have perfected poetry and guilt into an art form.  Ultimately in my heart of hearts I agree with Krishnamurti and more of a global community paradigm. 

[Kelley White]

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patriot (n.)

1590s, "compatriot," from Middle French patriote (15c.) and directly from Late Latin patriota "fellow-countryman" (6c.), from Greek patriotes "fellow countryman," from patrios "of one's fathers," patris "fatherland," from pater (genitive patros) "father" (see father (n.)); with -otes, suffix expressing state or condition. Liddell & Scott write that patriotes was "applied to barbarians who had only a common [patris], [politai] being used of Greeks who had a common [polis] (or free-state)."

Meaning "loyal and disinterested supporter of one's country" is attested from c. 1600, but became an ironic term of ridicule or abuse from mid-18c. in England, so that Johnson, who at first defined it as "one whose ruling passion is the love of his country," in his fourth edition added, "It is sometimes used for a factious disturber of the government."

The name of patriot had become [c. 1744] a by-word of derision. Horace Walpole scarcely exaggerated when he said that ... the most popular declaration which a candidate could make on the hustings was that he had never been and never would be a patriot. [Macaulay, "Horace Walpole," 1833]

Somewhat revived in reference to resistance movements in overrun countries in World War II, it has usually had a positive sense in American English, where the phony and rascally variety has been consigned to the word patrioteer (1928). Oriana Fallaci ["The Rage and the Pride," 2002] marvels that Americans, so fond of patriotic, patriot, and patriotism, lack the root noun and are content to express the idea of patria by cumbersome compounds such as homeland. (Joyce, Shaw, and H.G. Wells all used patria as an English word early 20c., but it failed to stick.) Patriots' Day (April 19, anniversary of the 1775 skirmishes at Lexington and Concord Bridge) was observed as a legal holiday in Maine and Massachusetts from 1894. http://etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=Patriotism

 

[Keyblade Viking]

6 hours ago, 8LanguageStud said:

Those of you who think patriotism is bullshit should read a bit from the book The Righteous Mind, in which Jonathan Haidt talks about evolutionary psychology and morality.  He postulates that there are five flavors of morality that people, globally, have evolved.  

1. Care/Harm
2. Fairness/cheating
3. Loyalty/betrayal
4. Authority/subversion
5. Sanctity/degradation

What he is really talking about though he can't see it is the original sin, from your small text I can see that this is nothing but a book on how to master being a good satanic slave to the trees of good and evil.

In other words it's all whoreshit. the only real moral/karma is honesty. If you base your life on truth and never lie to yourself (impossible in this world) you are as perfect as can possibly be. If you base your life on a stable set of rules and laws to follow and try to be a good citizen that way you're messed up in the head, your lying to yourself and it gonna come back to beat you in the ass big time once you become aware of how much you've tortured yourself your entire life.

[Keyblade Viking]

30 minutes ago, Kelley White said:

Hahah You know I was thinking about this very clip.  Its so funny because I do this sometimes since its genetically accidental the Irish have perfected poetry and guilt into an art form.  Ultimately in my heart of hearts I agree with Krishnamurti and more of a global community paradigm. 

 

Ireland definitely got style though

 

 

[FinnishJon]

24 minutes ago, Keyblade Viking - Tobias said:

What he is really talking about though he can't see it is the original sin, from your small text I can see that this is nothing but a book on how to master being a good satanic slave to the trees of good and evil.

In other words it's all whoreshit. 

You can honestly have that kind of opinion about something without even knowing what you're opposing?  By the way, just so you know, these are not my theories to defend or bolster... you can argue with the author if you think he's full of whoreshit... but it sounds to me, like he must have hit a very raw nerve to get such a reaction from somebody who is on a self development forum...  If nothing else will persuade you, Leo recommended this book.  That may be an argument of authority, but just so you're aware... you might want to reconsider judging a book that you never even read.

And rather than attacking something in general, perhaps you could point to something more specific that you disagree with.  Or was there some specific objections you had in mind?  Jonathan Haidt, BTW, is a liberal atheist... so I don't know where you're getting implications of "original sin" from.

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[Kelley White]

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Those of you who think patriotism is bullshit should read a bit from the book The Righteous Mind, in which Jonathan Haidt talks about evolutionary psychology and morality.  He postulates that there are five flavors of morality that people, globally, have evolved.  

Care/Harm

Fairness/cheating

Loyalty/betrayal

Authority/subversion

Sanctity/degradation

Patriotism relates to moral foundations 4 and 3 from this list.  Ask yourself 2 questions.  How much would you have to be paid to perform these actions:

3a: Say something critical about your nation (which you believe to be true) while calling in to a talk-radio show in your nation.

4a: Slap a male friend in the face (with his permission) as part of a comedy skit.

Now sum that dollar amount up and then ask yourself how much you would have to be paid to perform these actions:

3b: Say something critical about your nation (which you believe to be true) while calling in, anonymously, to a talk-radio show in a foreign nation.

4b: Slap your father in the face (with his permission) as part of a comedy skit.

If the sum of amounts for you to do (3a and 4a) < the sum of amounts for doing (3b and 4b), then you have a patriotic moral foundation.  If these sums are equal, then you are devoid of this particular moral intuition.

 

I find this interesting to contemplate.

I'm a veteran, a disabled veteran at that.  I really don't have a sense of patriotism in the entomological sense.   I identify with the subset of Veterans.  We all on some level identify with a subset.  Family is a subset and can be blood or "adopted" "created" Tribe.

Now I am not familiar with Haidt, so I can't comment directly upon the merits of his work.  I personally would want to know him, cross reference him, really research in depth before I comments so I could so so with precision.  

However I found your post thought provoking.  I found this thought provoking...

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If the sum of amounts for you to do (3a and 4a) < the sum of amounts for doing (3b and 4b), then you have a patriotic moral foundation.  If these sums are equal, then you are devoid of this particular moral intuition.

My sums were all zero.  1. A its true. Just be kind and necessary when you say it.  Its appropriate to be honest why do I need to be paid to be honest? 2.  With consent, all the difference in the world I have learned of late.  Its for a comedy skit why do I have to be paid to do it?  3.  Each answer continues down the list the same.   Money literally doesn't motivate me much, it never has.  Even in sales when I was successful, like in Real Estate, it was from doing what was right.  After eight years in the business I was one of the few agents with no ethical complaints on my license, something many of the highest producers couldn't say the same.

So it seems the paradox is shifting a nationalistic for profit model system which is now self destructive and creating global imbalance into more global paradigm which facilitates equitable opportunity and distribution of existing resources and cares for the planet so we continue to exist and evolve as a species.

By observation?  That has to begin with the self.  That is challenging to do within the existing system.  The only way to transform that system might mean incurring discomfort.  We seem to like to avoid discomfort and I am just of guilt of that as anyone else.  I tmight mean doing things not for profit.

If however his point is that a system goes through stages of evolution towards this ideal progression from "what is" to what "we wish was" I would have to revisit his model and the semantics within his model.  It happens to fit with my topic of interest so thanks for sharing about his work I may do more research.

 

[FinnishJon]

4 minutes ago, Kelley White said:

I find this interesting to contemplate.

Now I am not familiar with Haidt, so I can't comment directly upon the merits of his work.  I personally would want to know him, cross reference him, really research in depth before I comments so I could so so with precision.  

It happens to fit with my topic of interest so thanks for sharing about his work I may do more research.

 

As said, it isn't my theory to defend or promote, but if you want a short summary of his thinking, there's a TED talk:  

 

[Kelley White]

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As said, it isn't my theory to defend or promote, but if you want a short summary of his thinking, there's a TED talk:  

Good Ted talk, I agree with much of what he has to say.   You might find this interesting.    He may or may not be optimistic in his projections. However I suspect we are experiencing this very transition  and consider the social applications and potential escalation of stress for those incapable of accelerated adaptation?

 

[Kelley White]

@Keyblade Viking - TobiasI have to concur with the observation your causation correlation seem to have taken a quantum leap...I mean I like chasing rabbits but that one went a bit a stray and I would suggest perhaps different language from here out on the thread.  "Stupid," "Whoreshit," just derogatory and emotive, not a productive part of rational discourse. 

Is it really true Haidt or @8LanguageStud are stupid or implying what you asserted?  That is the real key question?  I don't know if its true and the impassioned language doesn't make it true it just creates a reaction which might keep folks from considering your view with openness.  

What are your thoughts? @Keyblade?  

[Keyblade Viking]

1 hour ago, Kelley White said:

@Keyblade Viking - TobiasI have to concur with the observation your causation correlation seem to have taken a quantum leap...I mean I like chasing rabbits but that one went a bit a stray and I would suggest perhaps different language from here out on the thread.  "Stupid," "Whoreshit," just derogatory and emotive, not a productive part of rational discourse. 

as for cursing etc I wrote a lot about that over here where I explain how that's just your mind control setting in.

http://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/238-cursing/#comment-1132

I'll look at the rest tomorrow, gonna go to bed now.

[Kelley White]

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as for cursing etc I wrote a lot about that over here where I explain how that's just your mind control setting in.

http://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/238-cursing/#comment-1132

 

Hi @Keyblade Viking - Tobias 

Is it really true that this is my "mind control" setting?  I'm not certain.  (The "mind control phrase" is a trigger for me, so I took a moment before responding. ) I know I can have a challenging time getting published because as a poet I use language like that.  In fact, I can choose to swear like the good old soldier and cop I used to be and frequently do.    In a forum?  I try to have manners and be more formal until I have established relationships with  people where I know where the boundaries are and show respect..

After some thought, I reacted the way I did perhaps because @8LanguageStud appeared at first blush to take a position which was different from  many on the thread, but if one took the time to actually take an interest in what he was saying, he was making valid points about the evolution of systems.   I want to ensure that everyone's views are respected even the one's I don't necessarily agree with; or that others don't agree with.   I am not sure where the quantum leap came from about Haidt and sin?  

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What he is really talking about though he can't see it is the original sin, from your small text I can see that this is nothing but a book on how to master being a good satanic slave to the trees of good and evil.

I know folks like Sam Harris take exception to Haidt's defense of religion, but here, in this context, we are talking about moral evolution.  I kind of have this wee theory you can't wash your cast iron like you do your china.  What IS real?  Some folks are religious, some folks are spiritual, some folks are neither.   Somehow we might be better serviced to find a way to tolerate one another and remember we are all not playing at the same level of the game?  I don't find spirituality in and of itself divisive as much as I observe semantic issues.  As was pointed out earlier, its helpful if we are all working with the same definitions, understanding, context.  People in sub groups tend to have their own lingo, and things get lost in the translation.

So after further reflection I don't think its a mind control issue on my part, I think its a respect issue I'm experiencing.  

 

 

[Keyblade Viking]

On the 10 commandments -
The most important part when debating is to be honest, if you for example attack someone and make fun of them etc to protect your own lies and illusions you're obviously not being honest.

I for one will often come of as if I'm attacking someone when really I'm not, I'm only attacking the mindset and try to break the ego, to free them from it but if you relate to the mindset so much you'll feel attacked. 

I also need to say that I used to think very similar to you (and I hate when people say that like some filthy businessman trying to win you over but whatever) but I was lucky enough to stumble across this guy and saw that he knew so much more than me that I sticked around even when he broke so much of my mind control (and he will truly seam super judgmental etc at first but you will realize if you stay that he's really quite the contrary) :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lx4w4rYQ39M

I can't do it quite like him, I guess because I still care to much what people think of me or because I don't want people throwing rocks at me for telling them the truth or because I don't have the same understanding as him (which I don't obviously) or all 3 but what I want to say with that is that when it sound like I'm really mad or offensive against people who'd like to be my friend it's not because my ego is talking but because I'm strong enough to lay it down even when my ego want those friends and hopefully I can keep them or not scare those people away.

When people get mad at that I like to imagine a doctor talking about how you're sick because of this virus going around and everyone have it (even the doctor though he try to heal himself) but the patient be like "Hey my body is holy! don't you dare tell me I'm sick, that's impossible".
People only react like that to the mind though.

One of if not the worst crime you can do however is make fun of someones true self, the innocent child within and then it doesn't matter if you bring up their name or not, "Any word spoken against the spirit will not be forgiven"  (that is until you understand what you did and forgive yourself while throwing away the false part of your ego which said that so it's no longer a part of you kinda).

I really liked rule 7 though, didn't really understand 8 to be totally honest, generally those are good rules but ultimately like any law on the outside it will end up misunderstood and perverted just like the jewish law which is another symbol for the tree of knowledge of good and evil aka original sin.

Like Jesus said - the law have to be written on your heart because it's a living law.
Any book trying to write it down on dead stone will end up twisting it by design, so you may find good advice to be aware of when reading that book but that's all.

(if that is what it's all about and I'm not misunderstanding, it'd be fun if he just wrote about mans mind control and ended up saying there's only one cornerstone you need to live by and it's truth but it's the one everyone have been missing lol, if so I take back everything I said about the book being bad ha ha)

[Shubham]

I believe I am citizen of the world.... Patriotism is according to me old school Spartans type... Like protecting my country... My people.... I believe in being free as a bird..

[Keyblade Viking]

8 hours ago, Kelley White said:

Hi @Keyblade Viking - Tobias 

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I know folks like Sam Harris take exception to Haidt's defense of religion, but here, in this context, we are talking about moral evolution.  I kind of have this wee theory you can't wash your cast iron like you do your china.  What IS real?  Some folks are religious, some folks are spiritual, some folks are neither.   Somehow we might be better serviced to find a way to tolerate one another and remember we are all not playing at the same level of the game?  I don't find spirituality in and of itself divisive as much as I observe semantic issues.  As was pointed out earlier, its helpful if we are all working with the same definitions, understanding, context.  People in sub groups tend to have their own lingo, and things get lost in the translation.

So after further reflection I don't think its a mind control issue on my part, I think its a respect issue I'm experiencing.  

This goes in to my last post but I felt it was getting to long lol.

When you respect someone truly you will show them the truth regardless of how they feel about it.

I don't always know exactly what the best way to do that is because my ego can get in the way of the correct direction but yes sometimes you need to use that "Female Mercy" to just encourage the person you're talking to and try to sneak the truth in there or something but the "Masculine Mercy" is also very important and both versions can be true humbleness, not only the female mercy (I hope you've seen Leos video on that so I'm making sense lol) which often turn out as a false sense of humbleness which is complete fucking communist bullshit where everyone are equal as we base what "we" are on our dogmas and opinions.

Yes, everyone are equal - nothingness is equal and (/because of it) can not be compared to anything, the ego which think it is something can be compared and a broken computer spreading viruses or a sick cancer cell is not worth nearly as much as a great computer repairing itself and work wonders or a completely healthy cell in the body.

btw, female mercy is meant to follow that spiritual nature and see how we are nothing while masculine mercy is aimed at the armor, the lady in red (seen everywhere) or whore of babylon (aka Jezebel) as seen in the bible is the woman taking the mans position and say that all egos are equal when the ego is only the student who keep evolving through life, it doesn't stand still when working correctly or go in infinite cycles of repeat like in the luciferian system most people are stuck in.

Ultimately we are all cells in a greater body but we all have a cancer (yes me too, I'm anything but perfect of course) however most people defend this cancer and fight for it (like explained in the first matrix movie), those cells eventually need to be healed or killed in order to heal the greater body.
However many centuries that may take...

[Kelley White]

This goes in to my last post but I felt it was getting to long lol.

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When you respect someone truly you will show them the truth regardless of how they feel about it.

I don't always know exactly what the best way to do that is because my ego can get in the way of the correct direction but yes sometimes you need to use that "Female Mercy" to just encourage the person you're talking to and try to sneak the truth in there or something but the "Masculine Mercy" is also very important and both versions can be true humbleness, not only the female mercy (I hope you've seen Leos video on that so I'm making sense lol) which often turn out as a false sense of humbleness which is complete fucking communist bullshit where everyone are equal as we base what "we" are on our dogmas and opinions.

Yes, everyone are equal - nothingness is equal and (/because of it) can not be compared to anything, the ego which think it is something can be compared and a broken computer spreading viruses or a sick cancer cell is not worth nearly as much as a great computer repairing itself and work wonders or a completely healthy cell in the body.

btw, female mercy is meant to follow that spiritual nature and see how we are nothing while masculine mercy is aimed at the armor, the lady in red (seen everywhere) or whore of babylon (aka Jezebel) as seen in the bible is the woman taking the mans position and say that all egos are equal when the ego is only the student who keep evolving through life, it doesn't stand still when working correctly or go in infinite cycles of repeat like in the luciferian system most people are stuck in.

Ultimately we are all cells in a greater body but we all have a cancer (yes me too, I'm anything but perfect of course) however most people defend this cancer and fight for it (like explained in the first matrix movie), those cells eventually need to be healed or killed in order to heal the greater body.
However many centuries that may take...

When you respect someone truly you will show them the truth regardless of how they feel about it.

 

Good morning @Keyblade Viking - Tobias, I love your long answer.  Thank you.  It shows me you cared enough to take the time to think about what I said and respond.   Thank you for that.

I have not seen “the video” by Leo you are referencing, so I cannot comment related to that video.

Do people always tell other people the truth?  No. 

Are there times when it is morally considered better to lie? 

(IE, Aunt Sue’s dress is horrible but you say what a lovely color so sue is happy because in the big picture does sue really need to hear her favorite dress is hideous so you feel you were truthful?  It’s might be true to you; it’s not true to her, it’s not kind, it’s not necessary.)

I try to ask is it true kind and necessary?  Trust me, I fail quite a bit.  But it is a mindful goal.

To return to the topic of patriotism, is it true that @8LanguageStud was promoting a spiritual theory? 

It appears he offered a different hierarchy of actualization for consideration within the Patriotism paradigm which was relevant to the thread. He offered us a different progression to consider from the world we exist in as it is now; and the world we would ideally like to see tomorrow.  He offered a different vision. 

By listening and taking interest in his vision, I could find the common thread between us even though we may differ on issues.  By sticking to the issues, he now knows I respect him, as I do you.  He knows it is safe for him be to be his authentic self here on this thread as do you, within appropriate agreed upon boundaries so everyone feels safe.

If I belittle his ideas, I don’t take interest in him or his position, I just react. I can’t be very truthful when I’m reacting…it’s called re acting for a reason.

Ego… I like how folks throw that word around like it’s an evil to be eradicated.  I would ask you to consider ego from a different vantage point now that I have considered yours?

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ego (n.)

1714, as a term in metaphysics, "the self; that which feels, acts, or thinks," from Latin ego "I" (cognate with Old English ic; see I). Psychoanalytic (Freudian) sense is from 1894; sense of "conceit" is 1891. Ego-trip first recorded 1969, from trip (n.). Related: egoical; egoity.

In the book of Egoism it is written, Possession without obligation to the object possessed approaches felicity. [George Meredith, "The Egoist," 1879] https://www.searchlock.com/search?q=entomolgy+dictionary+online+ego

 

 

If we return to the root, which generally appears by pattern more intuitively precise, once becoming energy manifested (gnosis) "the self; that which feels, acts, or thinks.” require ego to have passion, purpose and thus create.

Now assume you are the child who was deliberately fragmented to the point of DID traits (Dissociative Identity disorder traits) from abuse occurring in infancy.  Layer upon layer of walls built to protect a child from that type of trauma to include post traumatic amnesia. (Which by the way makes visualization challenging)

Ego is your sense of self and your sense of self is fragmented.  Unlike the individual who has a strong self of self or ego to the detriment of others, some of us have to learn to build an ego or sense of self so that we can move forward and progress. 

As for your spiritual position, while I respect it is your framework of understanding, I don’t share your position. 

Organism theory is an interesting theory to consider related to overall social actualization evolution. 

So to return to the patriotism focus of the thread and involve everyone, perhaps we can creative problem solve about the actualization process most optimal for survival of the human species and how this might change our social paradigms or framework of even understanding self. 

I actually had this conversation with a constitutionalist and we agreed on many things despite our differences of being labeled liberal versus conservative; religious versus agnostic. 

We both agreed people had to begin with internal change so they wanted to create voluntarily more giving paradigms in social systems. 

We both wanted to see more care balanced with pragmatism; a plan to get from point a to b.

Let’s see what thoughts we can generate from others?  

I will add this TED talk to perhaps elevate our imaginations as to what reality might be or be becoming... Again, just ideas to ponder. 

 

[Keyblade Viking]

22 minutes ago, Kelley White said:

Good morning @Keyblade Viking - Tobias, I love your long answer.  Thank you.  It shows me you cared enough to take the time to think about what I said and respond.   Thank you for that.

Thank you and how do you link my name like that, I'm loving these long answers too but they easily cloud up the forum lol.

On your first question I'm at the same place you are, I work at kindergarden a lot (internship/practice, not sure about the english term here but whatever, not important) and no I obviously can't be as free in my language there ha ha, kinda hate it when the other teachers tell the kids of and get mad when they curse once in a while and I just stand there all powerless to do anything if I wanna keep my job.

Anyway what I wanted to say is I often tell the kids how good they are when painting and everything and when they give me paintings etc I take them home (and throw them in the trash can) but it feels like something right to do.

I think we need to come from a higher angle when say what we like and don't, I've never been afraid to say what I think if someone ask me about their clothes or if I don't like the food they've worked so diligently on but then again I've never been with someone who need it.

The higher prospective however would be when we can see all beauty in the way people express themselves and not clouded by personal taste that the ego want to like (I'll get to that ego part soon )

For example I might find a blond bimbo with lots of make up ugly because of all the make up even when she is just decorating herself with the spirit and not like a whore (and some might find my taste weird for that but whatever lol) while I find that whore character or some "sloth" or whatever really hot when really they are just acting out of their ego and the world.

When we can see true beauty for what it is all that will be different and it's not like I'm some soulless hollow ghoul who can't see that at all but I think you know what I mean.

As for the ego part that was very well written but I am actually aware of all that.

Thing is that the ego is a machine or program and when it work in harmony it flow with the spirit and act from a completely different perspective but then it think it can decide things for itself based upon what it have learned from the outside world and when it does it only make based choices/reactions and always lead us in the wrong direction.

When I talk about the ego negatively that's what I'm talking about.
I hope that make sense because it can be very difficult to explain with our broken language and that's why it's so easy to misunderstand each other as well.

Before "Babel" (symbolic) fell we all spoke the language of the heart or whatever so we all understood each other perfectly and I think animals still do that. I base that belief on this guy which I very strongly recommend listening too (probably had more impact on me than anyone else have, when I found Leo I already understood "most" of what he is saying because of him and the other guy I linked before):
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDF642D086CDD2711

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One more thing about the topic at hand:
Leo have talked about (well brought up slightly) the true kind of patriotism which is how do we change the world (patriotism would refer to a certain group or country/nation right?) and he keep saying that we always need to start with self.

This is perfectly true (I know, I'm mister obvious lol) and then if we try to force truth upon the nation or whatever most people are so entrapped by the system that they will fight to defend it, this is why people stop trying to change everyone.

If patriotism is the same as helping the entire world to awaken then sure, it's great if you can do it but a very misleading word.

[Kelley White]

 

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Thing is that the ego is a machine or program and when it work in harmony it flow with the spirit and act from a completely different perspective but then it think it can decide things for itself based upon what it have learned from the outside world and when it does it only make based choices/reactions and always lead us in the wrong direction.

I can concur with the observation there appears to be a flow pattern.  Sam Harris Describes this, mystics and shamans, Christ consciousness folks, so many flavors of spiritual context and a rich fabric with the same common thread...love.

3 hours ago, Keyblade Viking - Tobias said:

Leo have talked about (well brought up slightly) the true kind of patriotism which is how do we change the world (patriotism would refer to a certain group or country/nation right?) and he keep saying that we always need to start with self.

This is perfectly true (I know, I'm mister obvious lol) and then if we try to force truth upon the nation or whatever most people are so entrapped by the system that they will fight to defend it, this is why people stop trying to change everyone.

If patriotism is the same as helping the entire world to awaken then sure, it's great if you can do it but a very misleading word.

We agree patriotism is misleading in its common usage today.   I find precision with language to be an interesting thing, we appear to create the reality we write and speak.  What we speak is quite literally the focus of our focus.  Are we focused on solutions which advance evolutionary progression across multiple disciplines, world views, and contexts to find the common thread for coexistence and survival? 

Are we focused on precise language which facilitates that communication process effectively?

Are we merely focused on advancing a world view we plan on taking no steps towards implementing?

I am somewhat of a pragmatist.  Ideas require actions for implementation.  It appears a balance of positive focus, being in the flow, confidence in your own action, taking the action, then the flow reveals your alignment. (or lack of alignment if that is the case)

Trying to tell a poet not to write about change is like telling a fish to walk. Giggles.  I know words create change.   I know working within political systems empowers we the citizens to be responsible for the government which was created to serve us rather than playing victim to it.  

Perhaps we who see the planet as a global community are attempting to shift politics towards awakening?  Worse goals to live for!   Why Poets poet. LOL 

Those videos?  Lots of hours there and I am focusing in on Leo's course.  I'm going to put it on my watch later videos and when I am doing research I can view them.  Thank you for sharing them with me.

[Kelley White]

 @Keyblade Viking - Tobias  FYI the adding a name tag is the at symbol followed by the name without a space.  It pulls up a drop down menu for you to click the name and then it inserts the name into the post.  I'm still figuring stuff out and finding new things myself.

[Keyblade Viking]

@Kelley White Thanks, and great post