Naive actualizers

[Haloman]

Yesterday I rewatched some of Leo’s latest retreat (Hawaii) videos. And here are some solid points that need to be considered closely:

·         You ain’t get there permanent (in a consistent non-dual state) sitting behind your computer. There are only two options – either go to monastery and stay there for years, or use psychedelics every weak or every few days and speak about how beautiful it was. And hope that it will stay like (it seems) Martin Ball has reached.

·         You can’t combine spirituality with mainstream western lifestyle. You think you can work in your office for 8 hours and go home doing one hour of yoga and you will get to absolute infinity and true happiness? Get real!

·         Actualized.org is art and Leo is an artist. You should watch it in this manner, not hoping that next Sunday Leo will bring you next piece to ultimate happiness.

·         Human beings are not designed for ultimate happiness. We are designed for survival – like chimps. And if we have to die to get to infinite happiness, we should take a look in Antinatalism closer and consider being and God as not so wishy-washy with roses and butterflies. Of course many will say that this isn’t true but consider how much of your every day life (even after enlightenment) will be devoted to appreciation of being contrary to everyday (physical) practical stuff (eating, sleeping, cooking, communicating, shitting, moving from one place to another). Like 1:20?

Of course, hero’s journey is great (and i have changed quite a lot). But it is PSYCHOLOGICAL change. I feel better in day to day life and deal better with my emotions much better than before. Bet yes! It is only psychological change. Raising consciousness beyond this psychological level requires point one which i indicated above.

p.s. I’ve meditating one year for one hour a day and I've been to one Vipassana retreat last summer.

Meditation cleanses up your body-mind, but you still are a body-mind. Maybe this is just my ego backlashing but maybe it’s the right perspective how things should be looked at. I doubt it enormously that if I put gun to Rupert Spira's head, his heart won’t pump 3 times faster and his body won’t reproduce the chemicals of aggression, self protection and hate.

Lets see what yoga will bring to many of you who are starting or doing it, but for me it is very, very hard to break this point of view. Months ago i was MUCH more naive than i am now. But with all this I want to indicate that everyday life isn't so unreal that it is presented in this forum or in Leo's videos. It is unreal only on paper when we are keyboard jockeying and conceptualizing about these topics.

I'm open to hear a view from your perspective.

[Staples]

I see a lot of mask-wearing going on around here. People write about their enlightenment experience one day then terrorize the serious emotional problems section the next. I'm guilty of doing similar things.

I think it is a product of people doing some of the things you mentioned. Too much forum browsing and video watching and not enough contemplating.

For as much as we preach about self-deception, we fall into that trap all the time.

 

[Moreira]

You are right and I came to your same conclusions time ago. I told these ideas an the people of this forum and leo sais that there are lot of enlightened people that lives in society a normal life.

For me that's impossible.

We live in a society that pumps our ego every second of the day. When we go to work we are expected to interact like egos with the subject-object relation, that breaks all the non-dual improvements. In relationships with friends, family or lovers we are required to act like an independent self, you'll be very socially successful if you have a strong ego, personna, boundaries, self respect, self-trust, self steem, me me me. Against all inlightenment improvement.

How is it supposed to achieve the unity whith the universe when we are constantly rewiring our brain to be more ego-centered?

Edited March 27, 2018 by Moreira

[Forestluv]

“   You ain’t get there permanent (in a consistent non-dual state) sitting behind your computer.”

”You” doesn’t *get* anything. It is a total loss.

”You” are always zero steps from enlightenment, since it’s always present here and now. At your computer and in a monestary. Trying to create an environment for actualization is part of the mind-body seeking mechanism.