Can your IQ be increased? If so, how?

[lmfao]

I'm not saying that IQ=Intelligence, but IQ is a very useful measure of you ability to competently take in mathematical or verbal information and apply that information in complex ways. It's an advantage to have, especially if you're heavily interested in academia. I'm not an idiot but I'm certainly no genius either, and I don't know my IQ. The online consensus is that IQ cannot be increased, and that playing any "brain training games" only improves your competency in that particular game and in very similar games. However, this improvement stays limited to the task you practiced and has no effect on your baseline cognitive abilities. I found one random article claiming that IQ can be raised by meditation, but I have no opinion on this. Meditation certainly improves your focus and attention for studying. I'm not gonna remain depressed and bitter that I wasn't born with an IQ of 200, but having a high IQ is certainly a bonus. 

[BjarkeT]

By doing deep work and deliberate pratice(or purpose ful pratice)

[pluto]

Open your 3rd eye, correct nutrition/lifestyle habits and introduce adaptogenic herbs and medicinal mushrooms, take ormus ect... You can do anything your mind desires if the projector is clean and active.

[Staples]

In regards to scientific literature, we haven't really found good ways to increase IQ measurably. 

But we do know good nutrition and exercise (specifically strength training) is very effective in combatting the decline of your IQ as you age. 

[BjarkeT]

@Staples what about the research on deliberate pratice? There is over 20 years of research on that and then there is deep work there is a lot of books about these things cal newport even argues that deep work is the new iq 

there is also the talent code by daniel coyle

peak performnce by anders erickson

scott h young and cal newports top performer course 

And there is a lot more books out there i would say we have a pretty good understanding on how to increase out "iq"

you can measure how much someone have improved there is a huge difference between someone good and someone less good and the research on what make the difference seems to be the amount of time spent on deliberate pratice/purpose ful pratice which is something everyone can do 

sorry if i am rude but it doesn't really make sense to say that we haven't found good ways to increase iq measureably when there is a lot of research on it that shows we have 

Edited March 26, 2018 by BjarkeT

[Staples]

@BjarkeT Note that only 1 of the people you mentioned is a psychologist, and second that these types of publications are not peer-reviewed in the traditional sense. This is not to take away from their value, they just don't fall into the same category of academia I mentioned. 

IQ is not the same as "deep work". IQ is not much more than a measurement taken from an IQ test. Real intelligence cannot be enclosed in a theory, see Leo's latest video about that. 

So if you want to increase IQ, what you actually want to increase is a score on a test. It is a test that cannot be studied for, there is no deliberate practice. Sure you can 'practice' IQ tests, but what you're really doing is remembering solutions to unique problems. You might make a little bit of progress finding general trends in IQ tests and observing the deceptive nature of some of the questions but that is about it. It is not enough to increase your results by more than a point or two.

We're talking about IQ, not intelligence.

[Salvijus]

@lmfao There is scientific data that by doing shambhavi mahamudra kriya you can increase your IQ.

https://www.ishafoundation.org/news/happenings/Shambavi.pdf
Ctrl+F     type: IQ or coherence

[Staples]

@Salvijus That study has nothing to do with IQ. They said other authors reported increases in IQ, not this study. Check their 9th reference for your IQ related research, that's who they referred to. 

Also, only 9 participants in the study. Not very representative of the general population. 

[Salvijus]

http://www.prweb.com/releases/clarity/meditation/prweb9117002.htm

this study is made on 536 practicioners. Say what you want but there's plenty of scientific data to prove that shambhavi enhances mantal capabilities. Increasing your IQ is not even a hard thing. 

Why are you clinging to the idea that IQ can't be enhanced. It's only a question of how fast your brain can process information. There is an inner technology to those things and how to increase the flow of neurons in your brain. 

You can enchance whatever you want if know how to use inner technologies. You can even stop your liver at your will or stop your heart or whatever. Even your genetics can be altered. There's no limit as to what you can do with yogic sciences. Increasing IQ is nothing at all.

Edited March 26, 2018 by Salvijus

[starsofclay]

@lmfao image streaming is supposed to raise iq by being able to instantly picture or recall bits of information due to the practice 

[RichardY]

I heard J.Peterson say that pyschedelics permanently increase a person's openess to experience, was fairly adament. Have also heard him say that openess to experience is correlated with IQ. My concern is that taking psychedlics of which I have virtually no knowledge of, may lead to a decrease in conscientiousness. Still got kind of an Aristotlian mean going on in my mind.

You are also not, your brain, though I wouldn't say freewill exists presently either, neither does determinism.  

[BjarkeT]

@Staples there may be one psychologist but cal newports work are very scientific and backed up with evidence same with the others 

How much did you research on what i mention?

"The skill I’m talking about is the ability to focus without distraction on a hard task. Having spent the past three years researching and writing my book Deep Work on this topic, I’m convinced that focus is the new I.Q.; it’s becoming one of the most useful and prized abilities in our economy. But unlike I.Q. you can significantly improve this ability through practice."

"Decades of research from both psychology and neuroscience underscore that undistracted concentration is required to learn complicated information efficiently. A student who can focus intensely, for example, can master classroom lessons much faster than his or her peers working in a state of muddled attention—"

it may not be the iq in terms of scoring for testes but it's the type of work that produces things like e=mc2 if you just can use these techniques like deep work and deliberate pratice that every person can do I don't really see why iq matters at all if you just can pick any field and then use these techniques to get good at it. Richard feynman is also known to have a low iq compared to einstein for example but accomplish great things because it seems he was in a state of deep work (cal newport gives and example of richard feynman in the book)

http://time.com/4166333/focus-is-the-new-iq/

if we are talking about iq and not intelligence how come intelligence be a part of iqs name: Intelligence quotient

and on wikipedia:

An intelligence quotient (IQ) is a total score derived from several standardized tests designed to assess human intelligence.

"Ericsson rattles off other examples of how deliberate practice helps rewire the brain. There’s the famous study of London taxi drivers, who developed larger hippocampi after memorizing the city’s bewildering grid. Or Steve Faloon, a graduate student at Carnegie Mellon who could remember seven digits at a time before training and a staggering 82 after; the Polgar sisters and their extraordinary chess feats; and a Danish psychologist who wanted to sing like Whitney Houston but can hardly carry a tune—and ends up recording an successful album."

https://qz.com/915646/how-to-make-your-kid-good-at-anything-according-to-anders-ericsson-an-expert-on-peak-performance-and-originator-of-the-10000-hour-rule/

if it's possible to recall random numbers up to 82 after pratice I don't see why you wouldn't be able to pratice for random iq tests 

rembering information is not the only thing the brain can do you forgot to mention that we can also understand things and really complicated things like quantum mechanics or lots of other complicated things

even by what you mention if it's only two points or something like that it still shows that it's possible to increase some of your iq points if it wasn't possible it wouldn't be possible to increase it at all really 

 

Edited March 26, 2018 by BjarkeT

[Staples]

 @BjarkeT

You literally quoted Cal Newport saying IQ cannot be improved through practice. Yes, higher levels of focus will probably improve your results on an IQ test. That does not mean focus = intelligence. It more than likely means that you were most efficiently utilizing your potential for intelligence, and therefore you have scored higher. 

22 minutes ago, BjarkeT said:

But unlike I.Q. you can significantly improve this ability (focus) through practice.

@Salvijus

That article doesn't even mention IQ at all. Used your control+f method to see that. They reported increased mental clarity and concentration, which is not IQ, it is something else. You must understand IQ is a clinical, hard-nosed term. Your IQ doesn't change until you measure it because it is just that, a measurement. IQ first and foremost is a model of intelligence, it is not intelligence itself. The map is not the territory. 

I am open to the possibility IQ or some other sort of general intelligence can be increased, I'm actually inclined to think it can be. We just haven't found a reliable way to increase it (in a lab setting) yet. I'm not saying that lab experiments are the only way we can increase IQ, nor am I saying that yogic methods etc are baloney. I'm saying we have insufficient data to draw a conclusion that works for everybody all the time. If something works for you, by all means, use it. 

[BjarkeT]

@Staples I literally said this afterwards:

it may not be the iq in terms of scoring for testes but it's the type of work that produces things like e=mc2 if you just can use these techniques like deep work and deliberate pratice that every person can do I don't really see why iq matters at all if you just can pick any field and then use these techniques to get good at it. Richard feynman is also known to have a low iq compared to einstein for example but accomplish great things because it seems he was in a state of deep work (cal newport gives and example of richard feynman in the book

how much did you actually read of what i wrote

[Psyche_92]

 

[Staples]

@BjarkeT It seems we aren't even talking about the same thing anymore.

The OP asked how we can increase IQ. You didn't answer that. You actually answered a different question. 

[BjarkeT]

@Staples "if it's possible to recall random numbers up to 82 after pratice I don't see why you wouldn't be able to pratice for random iq tests "  and

"even by what you mention if it's only two points or something like that it still shows that it's possible to increase some of your iq points if it wasn't possible it wouldn't be possible to increase it at all really"

what i said further down

obviously its not going to seem like i am talking about it if you just skip everything i say that is related to it

what i am trying to say is that It definitely seems a possibility from the research of expertise that i mention that we can increase our iq if iq even is a real thing

also when people say he must have a high iq when someone have done something really impressive like einsteins e=mc2 for example it turns out that it was just a matter of doing deep work to produce that kind of work which is a skill you can improve and everyone can be good at so to me at least that seems like iq is not important or likely not to be a real thing

and age also seems to be a really shallow thing to determine how intelligent someone is

For example there is prodigys who have done greater things than adult and the opposite when compared to average people

like a young mozart or an older stephen hawking

both have done great things and their age doesn't seem to play a role really rather it was how they did what they did and the thing is when average people do the things like deep work and deliberate pratice their abilitys to do what they do becomes better 

how does this relate to the topic? To me at least as i said above it doesn't seem like iq is actually important or real and I explained why i think that 

what evidence is there actually that support that iq is real or fixed? And its not just a lack of doing it "correctly" so to speak and how can we be sure it isn't just a ego defense mechanism 

Edited March 26, 2018 by BjarkeT

[Staples]

@BjarkeT Once again, IQ is not a holistic approach to intelligence. Intelligence, in its entirety, is immeasurable. We are talking about IQ, not intelligence, make that distinction.

14 hours ago, BjarkeT said:

and age also seems to be a really shallow thing to determine how intelligent someone is

 

Perhaps. Intelligence as a whole leaves plenty of room for nuance. But since we are talking about IQ, maybe you should look at how we actually calculate IQ. Your age is literally a factor. 

IQ = (Mental Age x 100) / Chronological Age

14 hours ago, BjarkeT said:

what evidence is there actually that support that iq is real or fixed? 

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I never said it was fixed. I said we don't know of any really good ways to INCREASE it for an individual. You can certainly lower it. A good hit to the head with a brick or getting drunk enough is obviously going to affect your IQ. 

Intelligence, holistically, is immeasurable. So saying it can be increased only half makes sense. 

You see? We've been arguing from two different sets of assumptions this whole time. 

[BjarkeT]

@Staples  not really i am still talking about iq whether you will accept that or not i even tried to explain how its related to iq but looks like you skipped that 

"what i am trying to say is that It definitely seems a possibility(keyword) from the research of expertise that i mention that we can increase our iq if iq even is a real thing"

"if it's possible to recall random numbers up to 82 after pratice I don't see why you wouldn't be able to pratice for random iq tests"

and some other things as well if you just skip the things i say or skim what i write then obviously you are missing out on what i am trying to say

and yes i know that age is a factor thats literally why i mention it and i said i think it's a pretty shallow way to find out how intelligent someone is and before you say this has nothing to do with intelligence then please elaborate on the wiki pedia definition of iq:

if we are talking about iq and not intelligence how come intelligence be a part of iqs name: Intelligence quotient

and on wikipedia:

"An intelligence quotient (IQ) is a total score derived from several standardized tests designed to assess human intelligence."

maybe you didn't say it was fixed but there is a lot of people that think it is 

Edited March 27, 2018 by BjarkeT

[Staples]

@BjarkeT You are relentless.

Saying "if we are talking about iq and not intelligence how come intelligence be a part of iqs name: Intelligence quotient" is like saying "If humans came from monkeys why do we still have monkeys?".

IQ tests are designed to assess human intelligence. Exactly. Assessing something is like drawing a portrait of a face. The drawing is not the face, the drawing is just lines of graphite on paper that resemble a face when looked at as a whole. Do you see?