Self-Improvement VS Self-Destruction

[vanish]

In this thread we will be discussing both lifestyles from an objective standpoint without any bias.

First we must understand what you are & what you are designed to be

 

Your primary goal as a human being is to evolve, you've been doing this since your dad inseminated your mom, you've evolved from a simple sperm, an ejaculation into a vagina to a baby, to a kid , into a teenager and now into an adult. A seed that has grown into a tree.

* Self-Improvement

The default position and the one that seems the most wise is Self-Improvement. After all you're doing what your entire system is designed to want. Everything you're doing is to enhance your life and make it better. If you're feeling down it's because things are not going into your favor. In the self-improvement life you may do things that may make you suffer but it is done because you expect things to get better after the hardships. An example of this would be working out. It makes you suffer now but you will get the benefits later. Other men won't bother you physically, you will gain confidence , you will feel better , you will attract mates and you will be healthier. You meditate because you want to reach a certain state, you study because you want to understand and become wiser, more knowledgeable. You improve your vocabulary, your posture, your diet , your sex skills , your social skills and other various skills to become a wholesome productive self-driving self.

 

You will be safe and secure and you will have the future covered. The same thing goes for going to school & getting a job/career. You will be stable, you will gain knowledge, your brain will develop and you will gain some form of confidence. You will develop a personality and that will be a healthy safe & secure YOU.  You will be following the system and you will follow the orders that were imprinted into you as a human being. This path is wise , you will most likely live a long and healthy life.

 

 

 

* The second option is Self-Destruction

 

This option goes against pretty much everything which is why it's mostly adopted by people who have failed to self-improve themselves or that self-improvement for them is simply not an option or that the reward for their self-improvement will be very low.

 

But if you consciously adopt this lifestyle and understand the full range of consequences that will follow from choosing this path then you will experience a life that not many people get to experience.

Like self-improvement, self-destruction is not all black and white. There's varying degrees in which you can destroy yourself.

But the main objective of someone who has chosen a self-destructive path is not success , heaven or enlightenment .

 

A self-destructive person is not bound to anything other than destroying themselves through their lifestyles. These people will experience life in a way that the person that self-improves themselves will never be able to and will be able to take bigger risks, their lives will always be at stake and every moment will be new. They don't limit themselves in any way, ironically they may improve themselves just to destroy that improvement later on. This path seems devilish because it's egoistic in nature. You will might lose everything , you will probably never have children or a wife and if you've chosen this path you probably don't want those anyways. Your existence will not directly contribute to society, although a few books may be written about you after your death.

Many people consider this the path of the devil, the path of resistance, the path of rebellion. Like i said, if chosen consciously then you are probably wiser than the self-improvement person.You refuse to partake in this giant cycle and instead you decide to destroy it by destroying yourself. You do as you wish, you live life truly as it was a movie and that you are the main character. You disregard other people's needs or wants to serve yourself. You might lie, steal , cheat and get involved into criminal activities. Laws will mean nothing to you as you do not care for your future, there's only the present moment that interests you.

 

You will eat whatever tastes the best, completely disregarding if it's healthy for you in the long run, you might do drugs just for fun, you will furiously masturbate whenever you want, You will betray those who trust you if it serves you or amuses you, you will fuck the wifes of the people who improve themselves while they are at work, and your entire existence will be a giant mess, but you will have a life and have experienced life in a way that serves you in the present.

 

You won't need to worry about anything as you will have realized that life is a dream, you might die young and that might be an attractive notion to you.

Life will become a dream, you might sell your own mother for $10k usd just to fuck hookers for a few weeks and that's completely O.K . You don't care if someone beats you down and tries to change you, because you've consciously chosen this path and nothing will make you change. Your goal will be to spread this idea and damage the world as much as possible in every way, by getting jobs and not fulfilling your duties, by going to school and messing with people just for the sake of amusement.

 

Life will be a playground without rules. You won't care about concepts like enlightenment or God , you will not meditate as your time here is designed for you to feel immediate pleasure.

 

 

The self-destructive life may be considered Zen devilry. You might and will be kicked out by those self-improved masters who are very disciplined and you might even get beaten down by them.  They will be Alexander the great and you will be Diogenes. But you won't care, if anything, you will laugh in their faces as they are jailing you or putting you into a mental ward. You will cause riots, piss and shit everywhere and make inappropriate jokes just to get a reactions from these mere mortals who are simply following their programming.

 

 

Make your choice, enjoy life either way.

 

[Truth]

48 minutes ago, vanish said:

Like self-improvement, self-destruction is not all black and white. There's varying degrees in which you can destroy yourself.

The map is not the territory. Why can't self improvement be what you consider to be "self destruction"? --> 

 

48 minutes ago, vanish said:

But the main objective of someone who has chosen a self-destructive path is not success , heaven or enlightenment .

Sounds like carving your own path to me. 

48 minutes ago, vanish said:

They don't limit themselves in any way, ironically they may improve themselves just to destroy that improvement later on.

This is the core of self improvement right here. Ego death as a way of life, that's what entails becoming the best version of yourself.

48 minutes ago, vanish said:

You refuse to partake in this giant cycle and instead you decide to destroy it by destroying yourself. You do as you wish, you live life truly as it was a movie and that you are the main character.

The hero's journey in a nutshell. of course, not focused on materialism or success but on your spiritual journey. 

 

48 minutes ago, vanish said:

Life will be a playground without rules.

Yes. this is also what self improvement entails. 

 

Overall --> 

In the end you're still doing this all for pleasure, it depends on your quality of pleasure and how much that shit will come back and bite you in the ass. if you're aware that it will bite you in the ass would you still do it? maybe, that's the freedom of choice and the freedom of your existence. Do whatever you want, 5,000 years from now no one is going to give a fuck, that's even if humans are still existing. 

Edited March 24, 2018 by Truth

[Faceless]

Self-Improvement VS Self-Destruction??? 

 

Both a movement of desire, will, demand, volition. 

Both movements of the ego/self. 

Both movements of measure, therefore limited, finite and time bound. 

Seeking pleasure implies seeking suffering either way. 

As far as choice is concerned...

In the realm of the timeless one doesn’t choose. There is no freedom in choice. Choosing implies action according to the limited, fragmented, and finite nature of thinking. If thought is applied as means to accomplish, attain, and decide between opposing interests, this means fear/confusion is in movement. All action according to thought leads to contradiction, conflict, and perpetual suffering. Choice is a symptom of duality. An indication that one is still bound and limited by thought, choosing between one thing and anohter. 

To see that opposites actually imply one another and that you can’t have one without the other is essential in not being bound by thought/self to choose one extreme in opposition to one anohter. 

This fundamental understanding paves the way for action which is whole and infinite. 

 Simple and beautiful even with all its associations and entanglements. To accept the whole without attempting to exclude certain parts is acceptance to what is. 

 Besides that’s all we can do anyway right?

 

 

Edited March 24, 2018 by Faceless

[aurum]

@vanish

No more Fight Club for you.

[Truth]

@Faceless mmm, you sound like V at the beginning of v for vendetta

[DoubleYou]

@vanish 

Its funny that the way you describe the self-destructive path is the way of keeping the self alive. That's no self destruction.

If you really want some hardcore self-destruction, start being selfless.

And that transcends self-improvement too. 

[Neo]

@vanish But what you describe is this man (warning violently explicit)

 

 

[Neo]

My point is that there are other external forces or factors that sway you from a purely Hedonistic and uncaring way of life, least of which (appropriately for the film Highlander) is sudden death.

[Faceless]

5 hours ago, brovakhiin said:

@Faceless at it again. High quality post, cheers.

Cheers?

[Faceless]

6 hours ago, Truth said:

@Faceless mmm, you sound like V at the beginning of v for vendetta

What’s that???

[Truth]

1 hour ago, Faceless said:

What’s that???

Probably your new favorite hero https://youtu.be/uW6HbZXI9Y0

[Truth]

13 hours ago, Faceless said:

In the realm of the timeless one doesn’t choose. There is no freedom in choice. Choosing implies action according to the limited, fragmented, and finite nature of thinking. If thought is applied as means to accomplish, attain, and decide between opposing interests, this means fear/confusion is in movement. All action according to thought leads to contradiction, conflict, and perpetual suffering. Choice is a symptom of duality. An indication that one is still bound and limited by thought, choosing between one thing and anohter. 

although I'd disagree here, choosing can imply limitations and fragmentation, but it also piggybacks on ones strengths and weaknesses. 

Also it doesn't necessarily mean fear/confusion, it could merely point to doing what someone is competent at doing and what someone is incompetent at doing, yes it can lean to contradiction, conflict and perpetual suffering, but that's just the nature of strengths and weaknesses. 

Obviously the ultimate goal is to be competent at everything, and that will take years and decades.  

[Faceless]

@Truth

Yes I understand?

Although Im speaking of choosing to maintain psychological security. Choice as in choosing between propositions to bring about a sense of mental order. Inwardly choice ‘thought’ has no place. After all it’s safe to say that the evolution of thought most likely was the result of fear and the compulsion to evade confusion. So we can respond skillfully to our environment and the various dangers associated with that environment.

But yes as far as physical security the ability to choose is a beneficial function. Outwardly the ability to choose is practical and essential. 

 

Edited March 24, 2018 by Faceless

[Faceless]

53 minutes ago, Truth said:

Probably your new favorite hero https://youtu.be/uW6HbZXI9Y0

A very intellectual charchter. Don’t watch TV. Is that a good show/movie? 

[dorg]

4 hours ago, Faceless said:

Although Im speaking of choosing to maintain psychological security. Choice as in choosing between propositions to bring about a sense of mental order. Inwardly choice ‘thought’ has no place. After all it’s safe to say that the evolution of thought most likely was the result of fear and the compulsion to evade confusion. So we can respond skillfully to our environment and the various dangers associated with that environment.

But yes as far as physical security the ability to choose is a beneficial function. Outwardly the ability to choose is practical and essential. 

 

Isn't the difference between psychological and physical security just a difference in belief, ie a psychological difference?

[Faceless]

45 minutes ago, dorg said:

Isn't the difference between psychological and physical security just a difference in belief, ie a psychological difference?

No the desire to become psychologically secure prepetualtes psychological insecurity. 

Physically secure is an intelligent intelligent response. Need to eat, shelter, and so on. 

The problem is we seek psychological which effects us psychologically and physically in negative ways.

Although I’m not sure that’s what u were asking?

Edited March 25, 2018 by Faceless

[Truth]

23 minutes ago, Faceless said:

The problem is we seek psychological which effects us psychologically and physically in negative ways.

Talk about confusing the map for another map  

5 hours ago, Faceless said:

A very intellectual charchter. Don’t watch TV. Is that a good show/movie? 

It's a movie, I think you'd enjoy it, I don't want to give anything away but lets just say he's a force of nature, a strategic mother fucker and he's literally too smart for his own good.

Edited March 25, 2018 by Truth

[Faceless]

2 minutes ago, Truth said:

Talk about confusing the map for another map  

It's a movie, I think you'd enjoy it, I don't want to give anything away but lets just say he's a force of nature, a strategic mother fucker and he's literally too smart for his own good.

I’ll check it out?

[abrakamowse]

28 minutes ago, Truth said:

It's a movie, I think you'd enjoy it, I don't want to give anything away but lets just say he's a force of nature, a strategic mother fucker and he's literally too smart for his own good.

Don't forget to mention Truth that it was a comic before being a movie. hehehe.. I am a comic fan and wannabe comic creator.

:-P

 

[Truth]

19 minutes ago, abrakamowse said:

Don't forget to mention Truth that it was a comic before being a movie. hehehe.. I am a comic fan and wannabe comic creator.

:-P

 

ahhh yes, I have the book on audible and the comic  love it.