Why is the materialistic world so consistent?

[Echoes]

@electroBeam The way I reconciled this so far is in seeing this reality as a materialism simulation. Reality is not absolutely material, but we seem to have here a very, very, very, very authentic simulation/hologram of how it would be if materialism is  the truth of reality. And things like "how can it be that the monitor is exactly the same when I look at it again?" is just underestimating the intention of the simulation to appear real. This force of [making something that is not true appear as if it's not true] is infinitely intelligent and is outsmarting even god in a sense. It's a huge mistake to underestimate the power of deception

[Nahm]

@electroBeam You are saying that it is, and then asking why it is. It’s mind. It’s you.  “Reality” is not consistent, it’s illusion, consistency is appearance. 

[egoless]

It's not real consistency. It's just whatever your mind gets used to you call it consistent... Dream world with its own rules is also consistent.

[Clown]

 

[JustinS]

You gotta give a round of applause to Maya. You got to out smart her yourself in order to see it for yourself. You are inside Maya and she ain’t gonna let you see outside of her that easily. Ego transcendence for oneself is the only way to see that Maya was never real. 

[Ether]

2 minutes ago, JustinS said:

You gotta give a round of applause to Maya. You got to out smart her yourself in order to see it for yourself. You are inside Maya and she ain’t gonna let you see outside of her that easily. Ego transcendence for oneself is the only way to see that Maya was never real. 

Yes, I try everyday, not everyday I see it or I do but Maya doesnt let me go. And its not in my control.

[JustinS]

@Ether After a powerful dose of 5meo you can see that reality is just pure emptiness and has no solid substance to it at all. Its seen through. It’s there but it has no value, only to the mind body organism gives it value by providing concepts. The concept making mechanism has to stop to see this. 

[SOUL]

@electroBeam It is because the material world is 'observed' by 'cosmic consciousness' in a universal macroscopic perspective so has collapsed into the manifest reality we observe from our individual microscopic perspective. Much of the consciousness work we are engaged in is merely altering our subjective experience perceptions of the manifest not actually altering the objective reality properties of the manifest.

What most of the participants on this forum are doing is what 'spiritualists' and religious adherents typically do, declare their personal perspective built on the belief paradigm of their experiential perceptions as "truth" that supersedes the manifest reality. If they are really as enlightened and awakened as they proclaim to be there would be an awareness that the physical and spiritual manifest realities coexist with each other not conflict with each other.

In order to have an absolute faith in their subjective spiritual personal belief paradigms that allows them to transcend the conditioning of the mind they think they need to disbelieve the objective physical manifest reality. This is based on the accurate premise that to transcend the emotional mind-body we do disbelieve the conditioning the self reflexively creates and believe a different paradigm oriented in an awakened and 'free' state.

Although, the fictional 'spiritual story' belief paradigm that has been built upon an actual mechanism of consciousness liberation has turned into a culty corruption filled with dogmatic ideology posturing as the 'absolute truth'.

Edited March 13, 2018 by SOUL

[dorg]

9 hours ago, electroBeam said:

Its clear here that the essence of super mario world is real, while the thoughts about it aren't.

That is because you are stuck in a belief. That is why your world is consistent; it is because your basic belief does not change - you just keep adding to it, strengthening it, keep it going.
 

Edited March 13, 2018 by dorg

[Truth Addict]

@electroBeam

Try a psychedelic, and then let us know if your world view is any consistent anymore. ?

[Leo Gura]

18 hours ago, electroBeam said:

A visualisation about Super Mario World is different to actually seeing super mario world in the 5 senses (seeing and hearing).

No, it isn't. That is your mind drawing a duality within nonduality.

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The visualisation is something that can be controlled off your own volition, the actual experience of Super Mario World can't.

You have no volition! You are an ego which does not exist! You do not control anything.

All of your reasoning right now is coming from ego. So it will all be wrong. You're wasting time here. Realize first that ego does not exist.

[abrakamowse]

Our senses is what is keeping the illusion "consistent"... materialism is an illusion, but very consistent.

Einstein himself said that : “Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one”

 

If you had different "senses" , for example if you could view infrared light or ultraviolet and perceive differently, your "material reality" would be totally different. But the true reality (we can call it spirit, or God, Brahman, existence) will existe behind that "illusion"... IMO

[Joseph Maynor]

What is consistent is just sensations not necessarily a material world.  We could be Phenomenalists and take what is sensed as what is real -- all the while rejecting the Materialist Paradigm.  So, consistency in sensations alone do not prove the beliefs that constitute the Materialist Paradigm.  

A Phenomenalist takes the sensations to be real, but is not a realist as to the External World -- or the Mechanistic World.  That requires beliefs that go beyond the sensations.  

You could re-frame your question this way -- Why are sensations so consistent?  Why do sensations often behave in a pattern of behavior, often predictable?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenomenalism

Edited March 15, 2018 by Joseph Maynor

[robdl]

On 3/13/2018 at 1:31 AM, electroBeam said:

The essence of Super Mario World exists. Super Mario World still exists. Of course what it represents doesn't, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, it just means the stuff that it represent's doesn't exist. 

Same for the materialist's paradigm. Look around, the paradigm exists, its real! Of course, what it represents doesn't exist. 

The entire world is made up of symbols. But these symbols aren't just our imagination, they are real, the symbols exist as real things. They aren't at the same level as a unicorn, or some thought we just make up. Super Mario World is a symbol that exists, its not at the same level as mental construction or mere thought, its much more tangible

well a dream is 100% seemingly real, with tangible objects, palpable fear, etc., until you wake up out of it, no?  I've seen certain mystics describe dreaming in sleep and waking reality as "dream #1 and dream #2" - hah.

[abrakamowse]

I think Leo nailed that in his Derrida video, when Derrida said that the problem is we think in opposites. If it's not real, then it's a dream or an illusion.

We should get rid of all definitions. It is what it is. It's not the way we think reality is, but what is reality? We can't talk about it, unless we find a better language that can describe the indescribable.

 

Edited March 15, 2018 by abrakamowse
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[Lucas Lousada]

We experience it that way, because we are LOOKING at it, we never stop looking, we are experiencing it all, thats why every time you look at something, look to another thing and look again at the first thing, it stays the same, you are watching everything, you ARE everything, you are experiencing everything, thats is why a car doesn't change its color  every second, for example, even if you don't look at it in your 3 dimensional forever, in your timeline that happened that way and it will be that way forever, because we only experience timelines that THIS fact occurred  (blue car) if we change between timelines, we could only change to timelines that had that car blue, good for us, there are infinite of those, just like if have never seen that car at all, so no worries.