Nietzsche and Thus Spoke Zarathustra: The Last Man and The Superman

[mk0998]

@Leo Gura What do you think?

[Monkey-man]

The book is about evolution of homo sapiens into new race through spiritual growth.

[Prabhaker]

Zarathustra: A God That Can Dance

In the world's first line-by-line commentary on Friedrich Nietzsche's Thus Spoke Zarathustra, Osho unravels the mystery of man's three metamorphoses - from camel to lion to child. He sets the record straight about the meaning of Nietzsche's concept of superman and shows how we ourselves can become that man.

https://www.oshorajneesh.com/download/osho-books/western_mystics/Zarathustra_A_God_That_Can_Dance.pdf

Zarathustra : The Laughing Prophet

Commentaries on Friedrich Nietzsche's Thus Spoke Zarathustra

Osho uses Nietzsche's diatribe against man's beliefs in his own impotence as a medium to clarify the true nature of the superman—Nietzsche's concept that was so tragically perverted by Adolf Hitler. He unveils the superman as a man inalienably connected to the cosmos, as a mystic and an innocent, cleansed of the need for conquest. He also discusses Nietzsche's concept of will-to-power, revealing how it can integrate man and lead him towards creativity.

https://www.oshorajneesh.com/download/osho-books/western_mystics/Zarathustra_the_Laughing_Prophet.pdf

[Shanmugam]

From 'Zarathustra: A God That Can Dance' by Osho:

Zarathustra is unique. He is the only one who is not against life, who is for life; whose god is not somewhere else; whose god is nothing but another name for life itself. And to live totally, to live joyously and to live intensely, is all that religion is based on.

I feel a deep empathy, affinity, with Zarathustra. But perhaps because he was life-affirmative and not life-negative, he could not gather many followers. It is one of the strange things about human beings: anything that is easy, they cannot accept as worthy of being the goal – the goal has to be very difficult and arduous.

Behind it is the psychology of the ego. The ego always wants something impossible, because only with the impossible can it exist. You will never be able to fulfill desire, and the ego will go on pushing you towards more and more – more greed, more power, more money, more austerities, more spirituality, more discipline. Wherever you find ”more”, remember, that is the language of the ego. And there is no way to satisfy the ego; it is always asking for more.

Zarathustra’s whole approach is exactly the same as Chuang Tzu: ”Easy is right. Right is easy.” And when you are utterly relaxed, at ease, at home, so relaxed that you have even forgotten that you are at ease; that you have forgotten that you are right – you have become so utterly innocent like a child, you have arrived. But ego has no interest in this. This whole process is something like the suicide of the ego; hence, religions which have been giving the ego difficult tasks, arduous paths, unnatural ideals, impossible goals – they have attracted millions of people.

[Joseph Maynor]

Ayn Rand's 'Fountainhead' is so influenced by this!  Nietzsche framed his Philosophy in a parable.  I see this as a positive message of growth -- although it is Egoic.  I can see a lot of traditional personal development theory being influenced by Nietzsche's Philosophical message.  You need to overcome your weaknesses and transform yourself into something great!  Right?  That's the overarching message of Nietzsche.  And do it on your own terms, don't look to the crowd for your values.  Fashion your own values!  That's all Nietzsche.  So, a lot of Nietzsche's ideas have been assimilated into modern personal development theory.

Edited March 10, 2018 by Joseph Maynor

[Faceless]

41 minutes ago, Shanmugam said:

Easy is right. Right is easy.” And when you are utterly relaxed, at ease, at home, so relaxed that you have even forgotten that you are at ease; that you have forgotten that you are right – you have become so utterly innocent like a child, you have arrived. But ego has no interest in this. This whole process is something like the suicide of the ego; hence, religions which have been giving the ego difficult tasks, arduous paths, unnatural ideals, impossible goals – they have attracted millions of people.

Ego/thought is a self perpetuating system. All problems are the result of the very mechanism of thinking. Without the accumulation of solutions maintained by the stream of thought in which create the conflict of choosing between, there would be no problems. And without problems there is no reason for thought. Thought/ego creates disharmony in man. And in no way will thought bring about harmony.

This is what dawned on me and how I came to actully see the very simplicity of simply being. For me it just came out of knowhere. I was already in a state of nonseeking. I had already accepted and came to peace with the disharmony of thought and didn’t seek to change what was actual happening. Then it hit me that thought with its motive, desire, effort, hope, was the very mechanism that created the disharmony with the flow of nature. 

I saw that harmony is already there. And that ‘the me’ that imposes, or ‘thought’ by its divisive nature, is the origin of discord. 

I see that most people get stuck in the hope of paths, methods, techniques, systems, and so on. They don’t see that these are still movements of the self/ego/thought... 

But??‍♂️. This must be seen personally I guess.

I’m just thankful I didnt have to seek and strive through the difficulty to see the simplicity. 

[Shanmugam]

@Faceless Yes...  .. Thanks for sharing your comments

[Faceless]

1 hour ago, Shanmugam said:

@Faceless Yes...  .. Thanks for sharing your comments

Sure?

Seems Zhuangzi and I would have seen eye to eye lol

[Emne]

I think Nietzsche seems like an interesting philosopher, but I haven´t read any of his books