enlightenment and sex

[Andre Quinonez]

Will you still experience sexual attraction when becoming enlightened? If you realize all is one and there is no difference between you and other people then how does that work out exactly in dating and sex? 

[DocHoliday]

Enlightenment can make pretty much everything about sex even more intense and flat-out better because it becomes even more intimate. And no, enlightenment doesn't necessarily diminish your sex drive, it ehances it more often than not because you feel more drawn to others instantly because there are no more boundaries. But even when you get no sex, you're still fine, since you're not chasing after anything anymore (although this doesn't correlate with enlightenment esentially). People have to start seeing enlightenment for what it really is. Enlightenment won't change your entire life over night and it won't affect it directly in any way - only the implementation of it does.

Edited March 5, 2018 by DocHoliday

[Torkys]

I am curious about this too. 

From what I've experienced, romantic love is a projection. You project the feelings you wanna get onto a person  and this mixture of feelings are so unique that you think you are in love with someone when actually that's not the case. 

Not sure the end of craving how affects this though. 

[student]

It depends on the individual. Enlightenment doesn't mean you immediately become highly loving, highly friendly, highly intuitive. It all depends on you, on who you are, on your inherent characteristics, on your authenticity.

After you see the body for what it is, just a body, just an appearance, you will be able to get to know the other, to know the invisible other and if that other person is compatible with you on a profound level. You will just sense it. Your intuition needs to awaken, your sincere desire to know the other. You need experience, I can not put everything into words.

Also, you don't need to be enlightened to discover the other. Sincerity can always be present and your desire to love sincerely - to do something that you don't yet know, because of the identity.

Edited March 6, 2018 by student

[Leo Gura]

Yes you will. Your sex drive may actually increase.

[starsofclay]

@Andre Quinonez If you clone yourself, and then have sex with the clone, is it incest, or just masturbation? 

[Monkey-man]

I think statements about enlightened boomboom are created by thoughts and not coming from experience. Coz experience is that after simple consciousness work I have much less drive and less need to possess. And that's a good thing. Why do you want sex drive, there's no joy in being a slave to your dingaling. Let your dingaling be your tool not your boss. Pleasure is a bonus or consequence, not the reason to do something. Body isn't designed to seek pleasures, it is designed to maintain sensing activity and balance, check out UG Krishnamurti.

[Nahm]

@Andre Quinonez Here’s a couple scenarios for realization from comparison...

Doesn’t meditate, doesn’t believe in consciousness work, mostly a domino; eating for immediate gratification, overweight, emotions aligned with senses and false sense of self, stress of this inhibits optimal functions of the body, taking viagra, etc. Identifies with stress, no clarity between sex drive and awareness.

Meditates, does the consciousness work, realization of domino situation and liberated from it, no mental resistence - see’s fun is the only point, chooses food aligned with health and well being, realizes previous delusion of false self, emotions relative to absolute, no stress, sex is awesome and without inner mental turmoil of the desire rollcoaster. 

Genes are alive & well and selfishly fighting for survival in the dream. Awareness of it changes.

[Haumea]

On 3/5/2018 at 1:55 PM, Andre Quinonez said:

Will you still experience sexual attraction when becoming enlightened?

Absolutely.  

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If you realize all is one and there is no difference between you and other people then how does that work out exactly in dating and sex? 

There's no difference between you and other people existentially, but nature still runs your body, so a lot of the activities of daily life are the same as they were (or better for reasons too long to get into here.)  Like, you can still tell which women you are sexually attracted to and which not, even though on an existential level there is no "I" and "you."  It's all appearances in the Self, but it doesn't mean your body doesn't know which appearances are more arousing.

 

Edited March 7, 2018 by Haumea

[MofO]

@Andre Quinonez

Well. Enlightenment doesn't undo your reality. what enlightenment does is it makes the path clearer. Then the path is up to you. What matters is the Truth of Truths. But to know that. The relative life must be experienced. Remember that the past isn't important. Although may be relatively necessary. What physical sexual transfer does is it creates an exchange between the beings so that a more balanced expression can be seen. If you are balanced. There would be no Desire for the other energy. But love making is quite Ok indeed. The sexual activity is not crucial for Enlightenment. It isn't a mental thing. Rather it is more of a knowledge exchange at the base of the spine. Hope this helps.

[UDT]

On 06/03/2018 at 1:48 PM, Monkey-man said:

I think statements about enlightened boomboom are created by thoughts and not coming from experience. Coz experience is that after simple consciousness work I have much less drive and less need to possess. And that's a good thing. Why do you want sex drive, there's no joy in being a slave to your dingaling. Let your dingaling be your tool not your boss. Pleasure is a bonus or consequence, not the reason to do something. Body isn't designed to seek pleasures, it is designed to maintain sensing activity and balance, check out UG Krishnamurti.

@Monkey-man exactly. There is no drive for sex, why should it differ what´s on the screen?

[Prabhaker]

On 3/6/2018 at 0:25 AM, Andre Quinonez said:

enlightenment and sex

"After enlightenment, sex is no longer a need, but you have all the mechanism: the whole body of a woman or a man. You are still eating, you are still drinking. You are still creating the energy that used to become sex when you were unenlightened. You can use that energy in making love, or in painting, or in creating poetry, or in dancing. And if you don't want to do anything with the energy, a great change in your chemistry and biology happens. You don't create that energy anymore if you don't use it. But then remember, you will become fatter.

Now the energy accumulates. It is better to use it. This is ugly! An enlightened person should become more beautiful, nicer, more proportionate. But the idea that you have to be celibate after a certain point...

Before it happens to you, don't accumulate energy. It is good that the energy remains flowing, that it remains fresh, it remains young. Your sex energy becoming stale is dangerous; it will create a certain staleness in all dimensions of your life.

Sex is perfect, no celibacy is needed before enlightenment. After enlightenment sex disappears, giving place to love - a far more delicate phenomenon. You can have as much fun as you like, in no way can it disturb your enlightenment. It is something bodily, chemical, physiological. How can it affect your consciousness?

The enlightened man can make love, and while he is making love he is still centered in his being.

He is just a witness, he is seeing himself and the woman making love; he is a third party. And this is what I mean when I say the enlightened man transcends sex, because he becomes a third party.

He can see his own body and the body of his woman completely as a witness. His witnessing is not disturbed by anything." ~ Osho

[pluto]

Yes but its more loving than sexual. You no longer have sex, you make love.

[Sunchild]

But in practical 3D terms it becomes very hard to find someone else.  Someone else on your own wavelength, who has fully owned her own path, and who can thus handle the powerful energies which are typically engendered.  I've only had one woman who made it to that point, and said energies as she told me herself started to threaten to upend her entire world and tear her psyche apart.  Most sense the danger and end up bailing on me long before then.  But that's ok, I now make love to the entire universe, in a sense.

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19 hours ago, Sunchild said:

But in practical 3D terms it becomes very hard to find someone else.  Someone else on your own wavelength, who has fully owned her own path, and who can thus handle the powerful energies which are typically engendered.  I've only had one woman who made it to that point, and said energies as she told me herself started to threaten to upend her entire world and tear her psyche apart.  Most sense the danger and end up bailing on me long before then.  But that's ok, I now make love to the entire universe, in a sense.

So could you accept someone as your partner who is far from enlightenment? Is it so that your precense will force them to wake eventually?

[Nahm]

@Andre Quinonez Yes, the awareness is what is different.