Buddism and suffering!

[Faceless]

1 minute ago, Saumaya said:

as@Shanmugam  said. Some sort of identification with thoughts, emotions or twisted beliefs.

I’m with you.. any movement of self is in relation to thought, emotions/beliefs 

the twisting may be from the fact that there is no proprioception of thought. We don’t see when thought is moving and when it  is not. We also don’t see that movements of thought are always in relation to the self. 

[Saumaya]

3 minutes ago, Faceless said:

I’m with you.. any movement of self is in relation to thought, emotions/beliefs 

the twisting may be from the fact that there is no proprioception of thought. We don’t see when thought is moving and when it  is not. We also don’t see that movements of thought are always in relation to the self. 

hmm...also what you said about psychological time is interesting

[Faceless]

@Shin

I grew up in a very violent family being abused psychologically and physically. I witnessed a lot of traumatic events personaly and in people close to me. 

War veterans may go through more traumatic events but then we are only talking about degree of ptsd right?

[Saumaya]

3 minutes ago, Faceless said:

@Shin

I grew up in a very violent family being abused psychologically and physically. I witnessed a lot of traumatic events personaly and in people close to me. 

War veterans may go through more traumatic events but then we are only talking about degree of ptsd right?

Hmm.. I think ptsd's traumatic events are kind of physically  more traumatic. As it includes gunfire, blasts and gore. But yes i agree, the premise should remain the same.

Edited February 26, 2018 by Saumaya

[Shanmugam]

@MarkusSweden Interesting...  

There is a story told in Indian traditions...

A snake was killing everyone in a village. Many people died because of the snake bite. People were scared to go near the snake for any reason. One day, a saint passed by and asked the snake 'Don't you feel compassion for these people? You are killing them without any love. What do you get out of it? You are creating a lot of suffering for no reason'.

The snake felt very bad. For this reason, it decided to remain calm. It stopped everything it was doing before. There was absolutely no reaction from it whenever people passed by. Soon, the young boys started teasing the snake by throwing stones at it. This routine continued every day but the snake never reacted. It bore everything with patience. Things got worse every day and finally one day it lost all the energy to even move.

The saint passed by again. This time the snake's body was full of wounds. Saint asked the snake 'What happened'.. The snake told him the whole story. 

The saint told the snake 'I only said not to kill people.. But why didn't you scare them? I never said you should not scare people'....

..........................

I went through something similar but it happened after enlightenment. I made no efforts to impress people at work because It meant nothing to me.. The recognition such as 'best performer of the month' didn't motivate my behavior anymore.. I was simply enjoying talking to the customers... It was an inbound sales process. I would just describe the product to the customers after asking some probing questions. If customers say 'I want to think about this, I will call back, I would reply 'sure, I completely understand..call back whenever you want'... I used to talk to wrong numbers for 45 minutes, discuss totally unrelated topics with customers etc... It would be right to say that I completely forgot my responsibilities at work. 

Only after a few months, my team leader questioned me. That's when I realized that I should keep this job for the sake of my family. My wife doesn't work and she completely depends on me. So, I had to consciously create some intentions... I was able to do it right away and then everything as different.. 

[Saumaya]

@Shin @Faceless Also I think in ptsd, the reason for being shell shocked is violent trauma, so that could also be the reason why they loose their connection to their bodies. 

 

Edited February 26, 2018 by Saumaya

[Faceless]

2 hours ago, Saumaya said:

hmm...also what you said about psychological time is interesting

I wouldn’t say reading books isn’t  bad at all. As long as you are looking at your own experiences and relating them to the content of a particular book this could be a first hand learning experience. As long as your not getting caught in others ideas of course. 

I’m sure you get what I mean. You should be able to see what is discussed in relation to yourself. If what’s said is to abstract it’s hard to grasp it deeply. 

 

 

Edited February 26, 2018 by Faceless

[Saumaya]

4 minutes ago, Shanmugam said:

Only after a few months, my team leader questioned me. That's when I realized that I should keep this job for the sake of my family. My wife doesn't work and she completely depends on me. So, I had to consciously create some intentions... I was able to do it right away and then everything as different..

Hmm interesting..happened something similar with me. It reminds me of the point I made in my post. Ego becomes malleable and changeable. 

[Faceless]

10 minutes ago, Saumaya said:

Hmm.. I think ptsd's traumatic events are kind of physically  more traumatic. As it includes gunfire, blasts and gore. But yes i agree, the premise should remain the same.

I agree ?

physicaly and psychologically more traumatic perhaps. Depends on the effect of the experience on thought and the chemical processes of the brain. When something like that happens there could be an actual change in the brain cells themselves 

Edited February 26, 2018 by Faceless

[Saumaya]

@Faceless Yes I understand

[Faceless]

@Saumaya

When I grasped psychological time it was at that exact moment I became free from it. When I saw the falsness of it it was finished. All those traumatic events lost significance. 

Although I didn’t know about ‘psychological time’ as a concept then I did understand it through my own personal reflection. 

Might be somthing to investigate?

its rather interesting and practical in application. 

Edited February 26, 2018 by Faceless

[MarkusSweden]

@Shanmugam Great story! 

Storytelling is really undervalued I think. Too many advice, too much arguing, too many "facts", too much concepts and clichés

A story can cover all of that I think!  

Edited February 26, 2018 by MarkusSweden

[Saumaya]

1 minute ago, Faceless said:

@Saumaya

When I grasped psychological time is the exact moment I became free from it. When I saw the falsness of it it was finished. All those traumatic events lost significance. 

Although I didn’t know about ‘psychological time’ as a concept then I did understand it through my own personal reflection. 

Might be somthing to investigate?

its rather interesting and practical kn application. 

Maybe because past happened in the now, present happens in the now and future will also happen in the now. Time really do exist only as  psychological phenomena. Memories belong to nobody. I think if you experientially grasp these insights, it is very possible to have freedom from traumatic events.

[Shanmugam]

4 minutes ago, MarkusSweden said:

@Shanmugam Great story! 

Storytelling is really undervalued I think. Too many advice, too much arguing, too many "facts", too much concepts and clichés

A story can cover all of that I think!  

Yes... that is why stories, jokes, and analogies take main part in non-dual teachings..

[Faceless]

2 hours ago, Saumaya said:

Maybe because past happened in the now, present happens in the now and future will also happen in the now. Time really do exist only as  psychological phenomena. Memories belong to nobody. I think if you experientially grasp these insights, it is very possible to have freedom from traumatic events.

I agree?

To me it is possible. I wouldn’t recommend anything I didn’t do myself. 

And also in grasping psychological time one starts to understand experience much more in depth. Understanding experience ‘time’ becomes very own movement from time. 

And also prevents all the various traps of seeking experience like we see so very often, which lead to further time ‘becoming’ or self 

Edited February 26, 2018 by Faceless

[Ether]

@Saumaya ok

[Nahm]

@MarkusSweden I assume Siddhartha experienced what he actually is (no thinking) , and relative to that, as a human, there is suffering (thinking) to be transcended.  The suffering is illusionary.  It’s just thinking.

[Saumaya]

9 minutes ago, Faceless said:

I agree?

To me it is possible. I wouldn’t recommend anything I didn’t do myself. 

And also in grasping psychological time one starts to understand experience much more in depth. Understanding experience ‘time’ becomes the very its own movmet from time. 

And also prevents all the various traps of seeking experience like we see so very often, which lead to further time ‘becoming’ or self 

Yes, I think "becoming" generally happens because we try to enhance the self in some way rather than realising its empty nature. Psychological time can be also called some sort of enhancement, or maybe the very basis of enhancement.

[Shroomdoctor]

@Saumaya SASSSSUUUUKKKE. COMMMEEE BACK TO ACTUALIZED.ORG! 

[Saumaya]

Just now, Nahm said:

@MarkusSweden I assume Siddhartha experienced what he actually is (no thinking) , and relative to that, as a human, there is suffering (thinking) to be transcended.  The suffering is illusionary.  It’s just thinking.

Suffering generally happens imo when the false self starts realising its falseness. It could be big or pretty small. So yes, the false self suffers its falseness so suffering is also false.