There is no such thing as male and female!

[MarkusSweden]

24 minutes ago, Shanmugam said:

"If the absolute created the relative, how come it did so? "

Your question is about a basic difference in the metaphysical theory between Advaita Vedanta and Yoga

Advaita Vedanta argues that matter and relative reality came from consciousness. The logic it provides is this: How can consciousness arise from something which is not conscious such as matter?

Yoga and Samkhya argue that world came from unconscious principle called Pradhana. Consciousness is eternal and unborn. There are multiple conscious beings (Purushas). Consciousness could not have created matter because attributes such as 'doing', 'action' etc cannot apply to consciousness. Because consciousness itself doesn't have any attributes. according to the Samkhya school.

I will actually go with Buddha here. When Buddha was asked any metaphysical questions he would answer with the parable of the poisoned arrow:

It's just as if a man were wounded with an arrow thickly smeared with poison. His friends & companions, kinsmen & relatives would provide him with a surgeon, and the man would say, 'I won't have this arrow removed until I know whether the man who wounded me was a noble warrior, a priest, a merchant, or a worker.' He would say, 'I won't have this arrow removed until I know the given name & clan name of the man who wounded me... until I know whether he was tall, medium, or short... until I know whether he was dark, ruddy-brown, or golden-colored... until I know his home village, town, or city... until I know whether the bow with which I was wounded was a long bow or a crossbow... until I know whether the bowstring with which I was wounded was fiber, bamboo threads, sinew, hemp, or bark... until I know whether the shaft with which I was wounded was wild or cultivated... until I know whether the feathers of the shaft with which I was wounded were those of a vulture, a stork, a hawk, a peacock, or another bird... until I know whether the shaft with which I was wounded was bound with the sinew of an ox, a water buffalo, a langur, or a monkey.' He would say, 'I won't have this arrow removed until I know whether the shaft with which I was wounded was that of a common arrow, a curved arrow, a barbed, a calf-toothed, or an oleander arrow.' The man would die and those things would still remain unknown to him

I don't know the answer for what created what, but it was never a problem to end my own suffering..  . 

HAHAHA, great anecdote and great answer!  

Inspiring to end mental masturbation from that answer!  

Just a question about Yoga/Samkhya..

I never heard of that unconscious principle called Pradhana.

But if unconscious principle created the world, let say the the unconscious principle creates a human being, how is that human being infiltrated with consciousness?

This is not a question for my own mental masturbation, I just want to know how yoga/samkhya views it.

Do yoga/samkhya think consciousness is eternal and in everything, and therefore it is in the unconscious principle from the beginning, or do the unconscious principle do its thing first, like creation of a man and then consciousness enter that human being afterwards somehow?  

Do you have a chapter in your book on this matter btw? 

Thanks!

Namaste.

 

[Shanmugam]

4 minutes ago, MarkusSweden said:

HAHAHA, great anecdote and great answer!  

Inspiring to end mental masturbation from that answer!  

Just a question about Yoga/Samkhya..

I never heard of that unconscious principle called Pradhana.

But if unconscious principle created the world, let say the the unconscious principle creates a human being, how is that human being infiltrated with consciousness?

This is not a question for my own mental masturbation, I just want to know how yoga/samkhya views it.

Do yoga/samkhya think consciousness is eternal and in everything, and therefore it is in the unconscious principle from the beginning, or do the unconscious principle do its thing first, like creation of a man and then consciousness enter that human being afterwards somehow?  

Do you have a chapter in your book on this matter btw? 

Thanks!

Namaste.

 

The concepts like pradhana are not mentioned in the modern days.. They were very popular at the time of Adhi Shankara. Brahma Sutras, a very important text in Advaita Vedanta refutes the views of other schools and Shankara has written a detailed commentary on it. I have mentioned just a little bit about it in my book but not as an entire chapter.

What Samkhya considers as Purusha is not a human being. It is consciousness minus everything else. 

[MarkusSweden]

@Outer I agree with everything you say here. It's really frustrating when you know what's going on. Guess irony is one way to open up peoples eyes so that they can wake up on a worldly relative level as well.

Have you taken the big and final red pill?

It always end with the JQ. But I guess you know that already..  

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Edited February 26, 2018 by MarkusSweden

[Leo Gura]

The paradox is: The Absolute and the relative are IDENTICAL!

(But not until you're enlightened.)

[Saumaya]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

The paradox is: The Absolute and the relative are IDENTICAL!

Yes, its just a matter of which angle you are seeing it from

[Samra]

@MarkusSweden I think that Jordan Paterson is misunderstood on some levels. Listen to his podcast with Joe Regan #1070.

I don't undrestand many things as I haven't touched the absolute, yet. However, I have clearly experienced feminine and masculine energies when I was with ayahuasca. Call them whatever you want. In my opinion, on this level of existence that I am currently experiencing, while there is no clear definition of male or female , there is definitely a feminine and a masculine energy, playing with each other.

[billiesimon]

Marxism is a toxic authoritarian ideology that completely destroyed the ussr and made a lot cubans flee their country in fear.

Instead of listening to ignorant and insane professors, start studying history.

Thank me later.

[billiesimon]

Why the heck are people in 2018 still promoting communism?

Do you hate your freedom so much?

[MarkusSweden]

@billiesimon

But the marxism of history that killed 120 million people in Cambodia, Kina, Soviet, Korea and Vietnam was not REAL marxism/communism. 

This is REAL marxism, it focus more on race and gender issues. It will be an ideal world if we follow through in a radical way. A paradise. 

The old communism/marxism in history was not real because it focused mainly on class, like working class issues. 

Edited February 26, 2018 by MarkusSweden

[Ether]

4 hours ago, molosku said:

Praise the Lord! 

Hail Jebus!!!!!!!!!!!

[billiesimon]

17 minutes ago, MarkusSweden said:

@billiesimon

But the marxism of history that killed 120 million people in Cambodia, Kina, Soviet, Korea and Vietnam was not REAL marxism/communism. 

This is REAL marxism, it focus more on race and gender issues. It will be an ideal world if we follow through in a radical way. A paradise. 

The old communism/marxism in history was not real because it focused mainly on class, like working class issues. 

Ok.

And Hitler's national socialism was not real national socialism.

The true one will take the form of Gandhi himself reborn. With unicorns.

Ask for citizenship in North korea.

that's your paradise.

[MarkusSweden]

Just now, billiesimon said:

Ok.

And Hitler's national socialism was not real national socialism.

The true one will take the form of Gandhi himself reborn. With unicorns.

Ask for citizenship in North korea.

that's your paradise.

“Fascism, Nazism, Communism, and Socialism are only superficial variations of the same monstrous theme—collectivism.”— Ayn Rand

[hundreth]

21 minutes ago, MarkusSweden said:

@billiesimon

But the marxism of history that killed 120 million people in Cambodia, Kina, Soviet, Korea and Vietnam was not REAL marxism/communism. 

This is REAL marxism, it focus more on race and gender issues. It will be an ideal world if we follow through in a radical way. A paradise. 

The old communism/marxism in history was not real because it focused mainly on class, like working class issues. 

 

Do you honestly believe we're supposed to have a Utopia here? You are an infinitely powerful being who can dream up anything. You asked the question earlier, why not dream up something more pleasant? Because it's perfect the way it is. 

It's also clear you haven't done a deep dive into history. Marxist ideologies don't work. This utopia isn't compatible with human psychology. 

An amazing lesson from the man you despise:

 

[billiesimon]

4 minutes ago, hundreth said:

 

Do you honestly believe we're supposed to have a Utopia here? You are an infinitely powerful being who can dream up anything. You asked the question earlier, why not dream up something more pleasant? Because it's perfect the way it is. 

It's also clear you haven't done a deep dive into history. Marxist ideologies don't work. This utopia isn't compatible with human psychology. 

An amazing lesson from the man you despise:

 

I appreciate the effort, but you're wasting your time.

Historically marxists only understood the language of gunfire.

Either from them or directed at their faces. It's sad.

I'm a pacifist, but I'm just stating a fact.

[Saumaya]

9 minutes ago, MarkusSweden said:

“Fascism, Nazism, Communism, and Socialism are only superficial variations of the same monstrous theme—collectivism.”— Ayn Rand

Ayn Rand fanboy huh?

[MarkusSweden]

1 minute ago, Saumaya said:

Ayn Rand fanboy huh?

Yup, my hero! She had the strongest integrity to the very last breath. Objectivism is the most wonderful ideology, if you can even call it an ideology. Ayn Rand would probably rejected a label like that. 

She was great dude.

[Saumaya]

1 minute ago, MarkusSweden said:

Yup, my hero! She had the strongest integrity to the very last breath. Objectivism is the most wonderful ideology, if you can even call it an ideology. Ayn Rand would probably rejected a label like that. 

She was great dude.

Such passion is always a pleasure to see. I used read ayn rand a lot.

[Saumaya]

2 minutes ago, Ether said:

Facts are not ideas. There are thing you caan observe with your 5 senses!

For example?

[Shin]

Try fucking me through my penis.

Pretty sure it doesn't work that way mister Snick 

[MarkusSweden]

8 minutes ago, billiesimon said:

I appreciate the effort, but you're wasting your time.

Historically marxists only understood the language of gunfire.

Either from them or directed at their faces. It's sad.

I'm a pacifist, but I'm just stating a fact.

I'm on your side bro! My thread wasn't meant to be too serious.

It was just an crazy intent to create some humour from the fact that the most absurd claims such as those that the transgender professor makes in the video has in fact something in common with the absolute truth, the most profound nondual infinite truth so to speak. (no gender in infinity)

That's a paradox huh? The most false and lying sociopathic transgender professor in this relative reality of duality that we find ourself in has something common with the absolute truth. That's bizarre I think.