Brain mapping

[Saumaya]

2 hours ago, Ether said:

You cant have more evidence than reality!

Maya. I dont know whether you are joking or not but if you truly think objests exist, you need a lot of work on yourself 

Edited February 24, 2018 by Saumaya

[Leo Gura]

4 hours ago, sarapr said:

So knowing how a perception works shouldn't tell us anything about the other perceptions of the world that we have?

in other words will knowing how the brain works tell us anything about how wr can see and experience the world the way we do? 

There are no perceptions. There is only BEING mistaken for perceptions.

The cause of every phenomena (or instance of BEING) are literally infinite. So you can study them FOREVER and never reach the end.

Studying the brain can tell you things -- especially how to manipulate things -- but it will not tell you what anything is or why it is here. For that, you need to grasp BEING directly, which conventional scientific method can never do.

[Faceless]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

you need to grasp BEING directly, which conventional scientific method can never do.

Maybe explain to them what you mean by ‘grasp being directly’... What grasps being directly?? 

What do they use to grasp being directly? 

 

Edited February 25, 2018 by Faceless

[Ether]

@Saumaya What are we speaking about, again?

[Saumaya]

6 minutes ago, Ether said:

@Saumaya What are we speaking about, again?

Ah..who cares

[Leo Gura]

4 hours ago, Faceless said:

Maybe explain to them what you mean by ‘grasp being directly’... What grasps being directly?? 

What do they use to grasp being directly?

Since there is only BEING, it cannot be grasped. You must BE it.

[Ether]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

Since there is only BEING, it cannot be grasped. You must BE it.

This is true.

[Faceless]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Since there is only BEING, it cannot be grasped. You must BE it.

Yeah but how do they ‘be it’ if thought is constantly working against them?? 

What sees the duality/fragmentation an produces an action of being??

Edited February 25, 2018 by Faceless

[Ether]

@Faceless You.

You cant force enlightenment, you need both experience and true knowledge to free yourself. Just live one day at the time. Being aware...

[Faceless]

@EtherTrue that... I would say the very motive to become enlightened prevents any liberation what’s so ever...There must freedom from knowledge and experience to become free from the self. 

Because the self, knowledge, experience are thought. And thought is the self. 

When volition/thought and dependence of knowledge,experience, given continuity by memory ceases to be acted according to the is there is freedom from the old to approach that which is new.

Have you gone into this before?

Its quite interesting ?

Edited February 25, 2018 by Faceless

[Ether]

@Faceless There is nothing wrong with having the desire of being enlightened. Just dont crave it!

[Faceless]

Just now, Ether said:

@Faceless There is nothing wrong with having the desire of being enlightened. Just dont crave it!

Not to crave desire is still desire.. I like to treat it as a general interest into how the mind works. Liberation just seems to be a buy product 

[Ether]

Just now, Faceless said:

Not to crave desire is still desire.. I like to treat it as a general interest into how the mind works. Liberation just seems to be a buy product 

No, i think one of two ways is to accept that craving.

There is nothing wrong with desiring anything, its only when we crave it that we suffer. Its only when we think that we must have something in our lives that we suffer, its only when we think when we make a goal that one outcome is better than the other one, that one is good and the other is bad that we suffer.

Its ok to desire awakening, just dont do the above!

[Faceless]

Go into it choicelessly. That way there are no illusions and even liberation comes very quick. Not a long process like people think. It’s instant. It’s as simple as insight/action?

[Faceless]

3 minutes ago, Ether said:

No, i think one of two ways is to accept that craving.

There is nothing wrong with desiring anything, its only when we crave it that we suffer. Its only when we think that we must have something in our lives that we suffer, its only when we think when we make a goal that one outcome is better than the other one, that one is good and the other is bad that we suffer.

Its ok to desire awakening, just dont do the above!

I understand, but desire/demand is very tricky. Self will disguise itself as non self activity. 

Its perfectly healthy to want order of thinking. 

But to go into it with a goal prevents. Because a goal implies a projected outcome. Which will never be ‘empty’

if you know what I mean?

Edited February 25, 2018 by Faceless

[Ether]

1 minute ago, Faceless said:

if you know what I mean?

nope haha

[Faceless]

Hope is part of the self. It keeps it in a non acting state

[Faceless]

2 minutes ago, Ether said:

nope haha

Where there is Motive, desire, demand, will, aspiration, and so on is a movement of thought. Thought projects an idea and the self  pursues it. 

This is not ‘what is’ truth 

You see that??

Edited February 25, 2018 by Faceless

[Faceless]

Self is thought... any movement of thought is ignorant to truth. 

Truth liberates not effort  

Pretty sure Buddha was down for this. From what I see anyway 

                                                      

Edited February 25, 2018 by Faceless

[Ether]

2 minutes ago, Faceless said:

Where there is Motive, desire, demand, will, aspiration, and so on is a movement of thought. Thought projects an idea and the self  pursues it. 

This is not ‘what is’ truth 

You see that??

We are the ones that persue it