The purpose of distinction.

[MisterMan]

We hang our beliefs on concepts that build our perspective on the world. We contemplate our awareness residing within the confines of our body. Assuming the inside and outside are two different things. When you look at your hand, you believe you to end at the surface of your skin. But you can't have an inside without and outside. And you can't have an outside without an inside.

 Is there really a distinction between the two?  Truth becomes this abstraction.  All you can really do at this point is believe. Knowing a concept is abstract at this point as what is knowing? Anyone know this? I honestly am not sure. 

Dictionary says:  facts, information, and skills acquired through experience or education; the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject.

But what is facts but a distinction? And distinction does not necessarily mean truth, all it means is difference and all it's purpose is is to make sense of the world not make truth.  Everything falls away.

To accept these concepts as building blocks to how we perceive reality looks nothing more than wishful thinking. As if there is this yearning to wear concepts and thoughts as a sort of comfort. 

Edited February 24, 2018 by MisterMan

[Nahm]

7 hours ago, MisterMan said:

We hang our beliefs on concepts that build our perspective on the world. We contemplate our awareness residing within the confines of our body. Assuming the inside and outside are two different things. When you look at your hand, you believe you to end at the surface of your skin. But you can't have an inside without and outside. And you can't have an outside without an inside.

Yes, until you realize the distinction that it is one, not seperate at all. 

 Is there really a distinction between the two?  Truth becomes this abstraction.  All you can really do at this point is believe. Knowing a concept is abstract at this point as what is knowing? Anyone know this? I honestly am not sure. 

You can visually see this for yourself. No belief needed. Belief procrastinates the experience. 

Dictionary says:  facts, information, and skills acquired through experience or education; the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject.

But what is facts but a distinction? And distinction does not necessarily mean truth, all it means is difference and all it's purpose is is to make sense of the world not make truth.  Everything falls away.

You create your reality with distinctions. They’re important. 

To accept these concepts as building blocks to how we perceive reality looks nothing more than wishful thinking. As if there is this yearning to wear concepts and thoughts as a sort of comfort. 

Careful with conflation. No two people are experiencing reality the same. The dynamic, spectrum, is outrageous. 

 

[MisterMan]

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We hang our beliefs on concepts that build our perspective on the world. We contemplate our awareness residing within the confines of our body. Assuming the inside and outside are two different things. When you look at your hand, you believe you to end at the surface of your skin. But you can't have an inside without and outside. And you can't have an outside without an inside.

Yes, until you realize the distinction that it is one, not seperate at all. 

 Is there really a distinction between the two?  Truth becomes this abstraction.  All you can really do at this point is believe. Knowing a concept is abstract at this point as what is knowing? Anyone know this? I honestly am not sure. 

I see you are preceding the points i was trying to make by separating everything i said and treating them as such when in fact i wrote this piece with the intention of leading the points i was making into each other. For example in the above you precede the point of duality turning into non duality i was making by then questioning wether there truly was a distinction between the two.

These two things you said i am a bit confused as they seem to contradict each other. Which I'm probably getting this wrong but this is how i see it.

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 Is there really a distinction between the two?  Truth becomes this abstraction.  All you can really do at this point is believe. Knowing a concept is abstract at this point as what is knowing? Anyone know this? I honestly am not sure. 

You can visually see this for yourself. No belief needed. Belief procrastinates the experience. 

 

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To accept these concepts as building blocks to how we perceive reality looks nothing more than wishful thinking. As if there is this yearning to wear concepts and thoughts as a sort of comfort. 

Careful with conflation. No two people are experiencing reality the same. The dynamic, spectrum, is outrageous. 

The two responses you gave seems to directly contradict each other. You say to be careful about the shedding of beliefs yet earlier you say belief gets in the way. 

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But what is facts but a distinction? And distinction does not necessarily mean truth, all it means is difference and all it's purpose is is to make sense of the world not make truth.  Everything falls away.

You create your reality with distinctions. They’re important. 

 

 

I'm not saying it's not useful, that isn't my point.

My point is exactly as you put it. We create reality with distinctions. They are the foundation for our reality. But how fool proof are distinctions? Distinctions aren't how we measure truth, it's how we try to make sense of things in the world. The purpose of distinction is to make sense of the world, not make truth. As we desperately try to cling on to any sort of understanding no matter how crude our methods are. Ultimately my point is that reality is based on these distinctions which are fallible as fuck, fallibility is in it's DNA for the simple reason that we use it to grasp onto meaning and understanding.

We understand tree and sky and earth, but all need each other to exist. However because of my persistence based on the cultural default philosophy setting i grew up in. Tree as a separate thing becomes the model for my reality.  By distinction i create the model, and as i have said distinctions are baseless unless you understand it's limits in the pursuits of truth. revealing truth to be the ultimate abstraction out of our reach.

Edited February 25, 2018 by MisterMan

[Forestluv]

@MisterMan Nice story, but you aint gonna figure IT out. . . 

[MisterMan]

lol  agreed.

It makes a lot of sense to me, and to be honest i don't think you really go what i was trying to say though. I would encourage you to explain exactly why you think what you do? This stuff is fascinating, so lets tell ourselves some stories! 

Because ultimately the conclusion to what i'm saying is exactly the same thing you have told me. That you can't know anything, building any sort of belief system on the foundation of distinction is akin to building a home on quicksand. 

What I seem to be pointing to is the arbitrariness of our belief systems, seeing how it's build upon something (distinction)that has more to do with making sense than making truth and it can afford you the possibility to stop seeing distinctions in everything, but rather part of the same organism, including yourself.

Essentially it's showing how fallible the process of experience through our distinctions are, when contemplating  "the truth".

Say you look at a tree, earth and sky, These exist because of the distinctions we all assume. Though when you look into it the tree cannot exist without the sky, or the earth, it is undeniably interrelated and interconnected to these different aspects of reality in which you distinguished differences in relation to shape and colour. But seeing this as one process, through the realisation of the tree's complete dependance on the sky and earth you would conclude the tree could not exist without either. You begin to see that the distinction that you projected onto different facets of reality have more to do with making sense of the world that decipher the truth. Making "truth" truly an abstract idea.

And of course this is paradoxical in the fact that what i'm trying to conclude is that everything is a story by telling a story. That is the point of this place, that is what wisdom is, a story that can point you to liberating yourself from the story. It's very nature is paradoxical.

 

So if there's anything truly uncovered it's that you can't really know anything based on the simple fact that we build our belief systems on distinctions which have no basis on reality.

Edited February 28, 2018 by MisterMan