a quick glimpse at the true nature of who you are

[Patang]

do you remember, when you were just a child, when you asked for the first time in your life, "who am i?". can you connect to that moment, can you connect with the one who asked it. now, close your eyes and ask again, "who am i?" is it the same one which has not changed at all in all those years since then?

[Ether]

I actually saw the world for the first time for the second time a few days ago

[Vipassana]

we are all still that child 

[Charlotte]

37 minutes ago, Patang said:

is it the same one which has not changed at all in all those years since then?

Yes, just ideas, beliefs and experience added on

[Patang]

10 hours ago, Charlotte said:

Yes, just ideas, beliefs and experience added on

indeed, everything that has changed is the "self," which is not the real you. the real you never changes, never existed, it does not exist and never will. this is why "people do not change".

Edited February 24, 2018 by Patang

[Saumaya]

@Patang A good zen koan is this...Who was I before I was born?

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Read or watch some Rupert Spira. He will take you to that place right away and show you who/what you really are.

[Patang]

15 minutes ago, Saumaya said:

@Patang A good zen koan is this...Who was I before I was born?

i am nothing as i am now, unchanged, unseparated, infinite absolute.

[Saumaya]

@Patang

[pluto]

My question as a child was why did or would i just show up now? Where was i these millions or billions of years up until this point? Made no sense and i never accepted that i just randomly came to be now when i could remember something before it but it wasn't clear and the more i grew into this world the more distorted that memory and feeling of something before the something become.

 

Edited February 25, 2018 by pluto

[Patang]

@pluto the questions why did or would i just show up now? and Where was i these millions or billions of years up until this point? are pointless because time is merely an illusion "outside the reality" that human beings experience, which is an illusion by itself. 

when we are "born" and been exposed to the reality perceived by our senses, to the illusion of existence, we are been taught to accept it by the environment of human beings as real. with time, our belief system is being built and then we are starting to truly believe that this is the case, we "forget" what we are and what it all is, submerged in the illusion, living in a dream.

[Faceless]

 Conditioned relationship of interdependence 

[Patang]

1 hour ago, Faceless said:

 Conditioned relationship of interdependence 

the mechanics of an illusion 

[Joseph Maynor]

I formed a very strong identity as a child fast.  I identified more with Ego most of my life.  It’s just been the last couple of years that the dream has been letting that go.  Look, here’s the deal, you have no control of any of this.  Awareness is there in Ego too.    So, in a sense you’re already Enlightened, you’re just befuddled with false beliefs about reality.  It’s simple but seems complicated.  Trying to have no ego is the ego, so don’t fall into that trap.  There is no you that controls reality.  That’s the most important thing to get in this work.  A lot of people try to act modest and act like they have no ego, but that’s stupid.  You have no control over reality.  You’re just aware of the dream.  You’re a non-changing Awareness of a dream.  So, you need to just let go and accept whichever way reality plays itself out.  It doesn’t matter because you never change.  Awareness is always there — that you can determine through Empirical observation.  I used to say the Now never changes, and that’s good too. But Awareness is more accurately what never changes.

This is also one reason why it’s stupid and Egoic to feel proud to be Awake.  There is no you that did anything!  That’s just the dream.  Ego is no more bad than anything else dreamed up.  Your dream contains this awakening story, that’s all.  Nothing in the dream is any better or worse than anything else in it, once you understand that none of it matters.  The only real thing is the unchanging Soul or Awareness.  That never has changed for you.  And that you can discover.  That is like a pillar in the center of the ocean, that the ocean itself revolves around.  That’s Awareness.  That the real you.  

Edited February 25, 2018 by Joseph Maynor

[Patang]

@Joseph Maynor yes, shit happens to all of us from early childhood  this is not an opinion, this is a fact and it's ok. this is all about the human experience.

[Joseph Maynor]

27 minutes ago, Patang said:

@Joseph Maynor yes, shit happens to all of us from early childhood  this is not an opinion, this is a fact and it's ok. this is all about the human experience.

The reason we are hurt so much in youth is because we’re identified with the dream so much.  We take the dream personally.  In youth, you’re usually totally bought into the Ego paradigm.  That’s why everything is so scarring as a kid.  You’re taking everything super-personally.  

Edited February 25, 2018 by Joseph Maynor

[Hsinav]

2 hours ago, Patang said:

 

@pluto the questions why did or would i just show up now? and Where was i these millions or billions of years up until this point? are pointless because time is merely an illusion "outside the reality" that human beings experience, which is an illusion by itself. 

when we are "born" and been exposed to the reality perceived by our senses, to the illusion of existence, we are been taught to accept it by the environment of human beings as real. with time, our belief system is being built and then we are starting to truly believe that this is the case, we "forget" what we are and what it all is, submerged in the illusion, living in a dream.

 

Lol 

[Patang]

@Joseph Maynor indeed 

@Hsinav

[Hsinav]

@Patang

Do you see the problem with saying that one´s comment is pointless because time is an illusion, then trying to explain it by saying

in time this or that will happen?

[Patang]

@Hsinav probably my writing was not clear enough. although time is merely an illusion, i temporarily ignored it, for the sake of illustrating the illusion of human existence. how else can i communicate through the screen of illusions.

Edited February 25, 2018 by Patang