It Goes Deeper Than You Might Think...

[Shanmugam]

1 minute ago, Ether said:

@Shanmugam Do you feel proud of your journey?

Unless someone asks about my past or I have to write about my past, I don't even think about it... The journey happened in the dream and now I am awake

[Ether]

1 minute ago, Shanmugam said:

Unless someone asks about my past or I have to write about my past, I don't even think about it... The journey happened in the dream and now I am awake

 

I love the Buddha

[Saumaya]

@Shanmugam Ah I see, I used to unconsciously chase the Absolute, as I also used to follow conspiracy theories. I knew there was some truth and nobody is telling me what it is, I got introduced to spiritual enlightenment from leo's video. I didnt pay it much attention. It was only after reading Jed Mckenna's book I got serious. My journey lasted only 2 years. I guess I had better resources.

Edited February 24, 2018 by Saumaya

[Shin]

9 minutes ago, Saumaya said:

@Shanmugam Ah I see, I used to unconsciously chase the Absolute, as I also used to follow conspiracy theories. I knew there was some truth and nobody is telling me what it is, I got introduced to spiritual enlightenment from leo's video. I didnt pay it much attention. It was only after reading Jed Mckenna's book I got serious. My journey lasted only 2 years. I guess I had better resources.

Can't win at the dick contest anymore, even If I tryhard 

Edited February 24, 2018 by Shin

[tecladocasio]

@Saumaya how you know you are ''done'' ? how to know you reached ''enlightement'' ? Just wanted to know , what makes you so sure that you are not deluding yourself . I really wanna know , appreciate if you answer...

[Shanmugam]

6 minutes ago, Saumaya said:

@Shanmugam Ah I see, I used to unconsciously chase the Absolute, as I also used to follow conspiracy theories. I knew there was some truth and nobody is telling me what it is, I got introduced to spiritual enlightenment from leo's video. I didnt pay it much attention. It was only after reading Jed Mckenna's book I got serious. My journey lasted only 2 years. I guess I had better resources.

Good.. yes, you mentioned you did your self-inquiry practices almost 24/7... That is very important.. Once a person is able to abide as a witness or the awareness 24/7, then it is a downhill process!  

[Shanmugam]

5 minutes ago, Shin said:

Can't win at the dick contest anymore, even If I trtyhard 

Who are you contesting with? 

[Faceless]

36 minutes ago, Shanmugam said:

Thats why I often refer to it as 'rebirth'.. Osho also used this word.. It is in this sense, people say that enlightenment is a new beginning..

This is correct as I have gone through this actually. 

There must be a freedom from the old/past in order to see things anew. Creativity ‘what is new’ is only found in freedom from the old. 

I think this is what has made liberation such fast happening in my daily life. 

 

I’m not a follower of old text and schalar of any kind but This quote of Osho and Laozi has some relation to this....

“The mind always wants to choose. The mind lives through choice. If you don't choose the mind drops. This is the way of Lao Tzu. How to drop the mind? - don't choose! That's why he never prescribes any meditation, because then there is no need for any meditation.”

Rajneesh

 The mind that chooses according to its conditioning ‘the old or to the content of its past’ prevents that which is new from ever being perceived. 

The old must be wiped away for the new to come into being. 

Starting with a clean slate is a necessity. 

Edited February 24, 2018 by Faceless

[Shanmugam]

13 minutes ago, Ether said:

 

I love the Buddha

Yes.. he was a great scientist of the inner world.. A very skeptical guy! he completely rejected Vedas when most of the ancient Indians considered Vedas as infallible and eternal and blindly followed everything that was said.. Did you read the story of Buddha?

It is very easy to become a skeptical person in 21th century, but it takes an extreme courage to be skeptical during 600 BC.

[Saumaya]

3 minutes ago, tecladocasio said:

@Saumaya how you know you are ''done'' ? how to know you reached ''enlightement'' ? Just wanted to know , what makes you so sure that you are not deluding yourself . I really wanna know , appreciate if you answer...

There is a permanent shift that takes place, your psyche is completely destroyed.Everything becomes fresh and new. You see there no more lack, suffering, chasing, seeking. Whatever true was always true and will remain true. You cant miss it. I am completely truth realised. If this is not enlightenment, I dont know what is.

[Ether]

@Shanmugam Yes I did! But tell me more

[Faceless]

Just now, Shanmugam said:

Yes.. he was a great scientist of the inner world.. A very skeptical guy! he completely rejected Vedas when most of the ancient Indians considered Vedas as infallible and eternal and blindly followed everything that was said.. Did you read the story of Buddha?

It is very easy to become a skeptical person in 21th century, but it takes an extreme courage to be skeptical during 600 BC.

Buddha sounded like my kind of dude. ?

 

[Nahm]

@Saumaya Access of experience is relative to consciousness, that has never not been the case. What for someone is a known known, and another known unknown, for another is an unknown unknown. What someone is experiencing, communicated to another, is interpreted as impossible - so there is no sense in communicating the specifics, or examples. If there is no relative consciousness, then there is no way to communicate. You can look for it, discover it. Discrepancies and distinctions. This forum presents the opportunity to see this almost daily. With more consciousness, more perspective, more of what is there is seen. “Reality” is not the consistency it appears to be. It is relative to one’s consciousness, because it is literally, that same one. A couple suggestions, notice where individuals end in their conversations, see the patterns, contemplate why, and what would have been next had they not. Look at the justifications and rationality’s, they keep an individual’s consciousness in equanimity, sacrifices continuation of the expansion of their consciousness. 

[Shanmugam]

@Faceless You may like this book then: https://www.oshorajneesh.com/download/osho-books/responses_to_questions/The_Empty_Boat.pdf

Just read and see how it is.. You may recognize many things..

This book played a major role in helping me understand many things...  It is Osho's commentaries on Chuang Tzu’s teachings (Taoism)

[Nahm]

@Ether I died, and I awakened.

[Ether]

@Faceless I feel so inspired by Buddha's story I swear! And i dont know why! And i dont wanna know why!

[Shanmugam]

8 minutes ago, Ether said:

@Shanmugam Yes I did! But tell me more

Read what Osho has to say about him:

All great religious teachers, compared to Gautam Buddha, fall very short. They want you to become followers, they want you to practice a certain discipline, they want you to manage your affairs, your morality, your lifestyle. They make a mold of you and they give you a beautiful prison cell.

Buddha stands alone, totally for freedom. Without freedom man cannot know his ultimate mystery; chained he cannot move his wings into the sky and cannot go into the beyond. Every religion is chaining people, keeping some hold on them, not allowing them to be their original beings, but giving them personalities and masks – and this they call religious education.

Buddha does not give you any religious education. He wants you simply to be yourself, whatever it is. That is your religion – to be yourself. No man has loved freedom so much. No man has loved mankind so much. He would not accept followers for the simple reason that to accept a follower is to destroy his dignity. He accepted only fellow travelers. His last statement before dying was, “If I ever come back, I will come as your friend.” Maitreya means the friend. 
 

Osho, Ma Tzu: The Empty Mirror, Talk #5

 

India could not understand Gautam Buddha for this simple reason: it thinks that to sit silently, just being, is worthless. You have to do something, you have to pray, you have to recite mantras, you have to go to some temple and worship a manmade god. “What are you doing sitting silently?”

And that is the greatest contribution of Gautam Buddha: that you can find your eternity and your cosmic being only if you can sit silently, aimlessly, without any desire and without any longing, just enjoying being – the silent space in which thousands of lotuses blossom.

Gautam Buddha is a category in himself. Very few people have understood him. Even in the countries where Buddhism is a national religion – Thailand, Japan, Taiwan – it has become an intellectual philosophy. Zazen, the original contribution of the man, has disappeared.

Perhaps you are the only people who are the closest contemporaries of Gautam Buddha. In this silence, in this emptiness, in this quantum leap from mind to no-mind, you have entered a different space which is neither outer nor inner but transcendental to both. 

Osho, Zen: The Quantum Leap From Mind to No-Mind , Talk #9

Edited February 24, 2018 by Shanmugam

[Ether]

@Shanmugam Lets all love Buddha!

[Shanmugam]

@Ether

Here are some more from Osho

 

My message is: try to understand Gautam Buddha. He is one of the most beautiful men who has walked on this earth.

H.G. Wells, in his world history, has written one sentence which should be written in gold. Writing about Gautam Buddha he writes, “Gautam Buddha is perhaps the only godless man, and yet, so godly.”

In that illumination, in that moment of enlightenment, nirvana, he did not find any God. The whole existence is divine; there is no separate creator. The whole existence is full of light and full of consciousness; hence there is no God but there is godliness.

It is a revolution in the world of religions. Buddha created a religion without God. For the first time God is no longer at the center of a religion. Man becomes the center of religion, and man’s innermost being becomes godliness, for which you have not to go anywhere – you have simply stopped going outside. Remain for a few moments within, slowly, slowly settling at your center. The day you are settled at the center, the explosion happens.

So my message is: understand Gautam Buddha, but don’t be a Buddhist. Do not follow. Let the understanding be absorbed by your intelligence, but let it become yours. The moment it becomes yours, it starts transforming you. Until then it has remained Gautam Buddha’s, and there is twenty-five centuries distance. You can go on repeating Buddha’s words – they are beautiful, but they will not help you to attain what you are after. 

Osho, The Sword and the Lotus, Talk #11

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Gautam Buddha’s emphasis on compassion was a very new phenomenon as far as the mystics of old were concerned. Gautam Buddha makes a historical dividing line from the past; before him meditation was enough, nobody had emphasized compassion together with meditation. And the reason was that meditation brings enlightenment, your blossoming, your ultimate expression of being. What more do you need? As far as the individual is concerned, meditation is enough. Gautam Buddha’s greatness consists in introducing compassion even before you start meditating. You should be more loving, more kind, more compassionate.

There is a hidden science behind it. Before a man becomes enlightened, if he has a heart full of compassion there is a possibility that after meditation he will help others to achieve the same beatitude, to the same height, to the same celebration as he has achieved. Gautam Buddha makes it possible for enlightenment to be infectious. But if the person feels that he has come back home, why bother about anybody else?

Buddha makes enlightenment for the first time unselfish; he makes it a social responsibility. It is a great change. But compassion should be learned before enlightenment happens. If it is not learned before, then after enlightenment there is nothing to learn. When one becomes so ecstatic in himself then even compassion seems to be preventing his own joy – a kind of disturbance in his ecstasy…That’s why there have been hundreds of enlightened people, but very few masters.

To be enlightened does not mean necessarily that you will become a master. Becoming a master means you have tremendous compassion, and you feel ashamed to go alone into those beautiful spaces that enlightenment makes available. You want to help the people who are blind, in darkness, groping their way. It becomes a joy to help them, it is not a disturbance.

In fact, it becomes a richer ecstasy when you see so many people flowering around you; you are not a solitary tree who has blossomed in a forest where no other tree is blossoming. When the whole forest blossoms with you, the joy becomes a thousandfold; you have used your enlightenment to bring a revolution in the world. Gautam Buddha is not only enlightened, but an enlightened revolutionary.

His concern with the world, with people, is immense. He was teaching his disciples that when you meditate and you feel silence, serenity, a deep joy bubbling inside your being, don’t hold onto it; give it to the whole world. And don’t be worried, because the more you give it, the more you will become capable of getting it. The gesture of giving is of tremendous importance once you know that giving does not take anything from you; on the contrary, it multiplies your experiences. But the man who has never been compassionate does not know the secret of giving, does not know the secret of sharing. 

Osho, The New Dawn, Talk #22

[Nahm]

@Shanmugam Thanks. I agree, I understand what you define as the absolute. This is not my experience. Of course there is no reason to expect they are the same. I enjoy what you share. If you don’t enjoy what I share, if there is no value for you in it, I understand, and there is no obligation for attention to it.