It Goes Deeper Than You Might Think...

[John Iverson]

17 hours ago, TheEnlightenedWon said:

I see people posting as if they know they are Enlightened. How do you know?

When I asked the highest master I've ever known if he was Enlightened, he replied "I don't know".

Enlightened ones:

When you were just a baby Ego, you likely knew nothing of a deeper level of consciousness. It was only through hearing about such states that you were even able to begin practicing. So, being at the consciousness level that you are at now, how do you know there is nothing deeper?

Some "Enlightened" people on this forum act as if all action ceases after Enlightenment. Like you're just supposed to sit down and be content where you are forever. Sure, nothing wrong with that...

But what's wrong with walking around and being content with further exploration where you are forever? There is so much to do, learn, see, experience. This does not cease after Enlightenment, contrary to what some false gurus might say.

Knowing everything through direct experience is not the same as knowing about everything. It can be fun to learn about things.

Being at peace doesn't mean you can't tinker with the mind to improve worldly performance much like a car hobbyist tinkers with an engine of a car to make it go faster. It can be FUN to go faster. It can be FUN to perform "well" in worldly functions, whatever that means for you!

"Enlightened" people will say "But if you accept everything and let it be, blah blah blah... But there is no self do do these things blah blah... No free will"...

This IS the paradox! What, your Enlightened mind breaks with a simple paradox of an Enlightened person making some change or improving some thing in the world? Stop thinking so much you big dummies.

The highest master I have ever met enjoys video games, thrift shopping, eats chik fil-a like 5 times a week, has gotten his **** sucked by like 800+ girls, and likes to skydive. This shit is FUUNNNNNNNNNN. Get Enlightened, get your **** sucked, and lets all have a good time.

@Shin recrute this to our group HAHAHAHHAAHAH HOT GIRLLSSSSSSSSSS!! Haha 

[Shanmugam]

3 minutes ago, Ether said:

Dont you know we dont have control over others?

What exactly are you trying to convey?  

[Ether]

@Shanmugam Well, you cant control others. Thats it lol

[John Iverson]

I agree with you.. there is a lot more to discover also

[Saumaya]

12 minutes ago, Ether said:

@Shanmugam Tbh, nobody actually knows when we will reach enllightenment, so saying it will take 2 years or 20, is equally incorrect

Mine took 2 years, but I did it 24/7

[Ether]

@Shanmugam But id be lying if sometimes i didnt try to manipulate the coversation to get what i want

[Saumaya]

8 minutes ago, Ether said:

Yes, Im almost on year 2

 

But currently i have a lot less thoughts, it has been this way for like 2 or 3 days, so i hope its permanent!

Id like to have 0 thoughts doe!

Only animals have zero thoughts

[Ether]

4 minutes ago, Saumaya said:

Mine took 2 years, but I did it 24/7

Yeah, I do meditation every time a thought comes, so thats pretty much all the time

2 minutes ago, Saumaya said:

Only animals have zero thoughts

I meant psycological thoughts, not functional. And even animals might have thoughts, or they wouldnt be able to recognize faces

[Shanmugam]

13 minutes ago, Ether said:

Yes, Im almost on year 2

 

But currently i have a lot less thoughts, it has been this way for like 2 or 3 days, so i hope its permanent!

Id like to have 0 thoughts doe!

It also depends on the way you had lived your life before you heard about enlightenment.. The seeking might have started way more than when you might have heard the word 'enlightenment' for the first time..

When I say something to a person, sometimes it is meant very specific to him. He needs to hear that.  So, the answers may be different depending on the person who asks a question or who needs help. Here is one example: https://www.quora.com/Is-the-purpose-of-life-to-reach-enlightenment/answer/Shanmugam-P-12

When I read your posts, I do see that you are on the right track..  ... 

Edited February 24, 2018 by Shanmugam

[Ether]

@Shanmugam I try

 

, my mentor has a lot of knowledge about enlightenemnt and he explains it very clearly, so i usaully undersntand and what i dont, i either need more experience or might not work for me

[Saumaya]

2 minutes ago, Ether said:

I meant psycological thoughts, not functional. And even animals might have thoughts, or they wouldnt be able to recognize faces

It is memory that recognises faces not thought. Whats this difference between psychological and functional thoughts?

[Shin]

@Ether You would want to have zero thoughts ?

Why ?

[Nahm]

9 minutes ago, Saumaya said:

Only animals have zero thoughts

How did you come to know that?

[Saumaya]

Just now, Shin said:

@Ether You would want to have zero thoughts ?

Why ?

Ikr, I dont know where people get this idea that thoughts are a bad thing. Only when one is controlled by their thoughts, it turns ugly.

[Ether]

1 minute ago, Shin said:

@Ether You would want to have zero thoughts ?

Why ?

Enlightenment and pure bliss and a plesant experience

 

2 minutes ago, Saumaya said:

It is memory that recognises faces not thought. Whats this difference between psychological and functional thoughts?

A memory is a thought

Functional thoughts are "How To" thoughts. How to get to this place, how cook dinner, etc.

Psycological thoughts are the thoughts that cause suffering. "This is bad", "That girl is ugly\beautiful".

[Shin]

1 minute ago, Saumaya said:

Ikr, I dont know where people get this idea that thoughts are a bad thing. Only when one is controlled by their thoughts, it turns ugly.

Probably because they have the idea that 0 thought equal enlightenment/more close to the truth.

@Saumaya See ^

Edited February 24, 2018 by Shin

[Saumaya]

3 minutes ago, Nahm said:

How did you come to know that?

I inferred because they dont speak language i guess

[Ether]

@Shin

[Saumaya]

4 minutes ago, Ether said:

Enlightenment and pure bliss and a plesant experience

 

A memory is a thought

Functional thoughts are "How To" thoughts. How to get to this place, how cook dinner, etc.

Psycological thoughts are the thoughts that cause suffering. "This is bad", "That girl is ugly\beautiful".

Thoughts dont cause suffering, identyfying with them do. Content of the thought doesnt mattter.

Edited February 24, 2018 by Saumaya

[Nahm]

@Saumaya Look into dolphins man. They use language, and even refer to each other by name. Samadhi is worth looking into also, if you are looking to experience non thought / stillness of the mind.