Is this my EGO? Or maybe that's what I should do

[Amadeusz]

When talking about Spiral Dynamics, there is this 'transition dilemma' between orange and green. It says that I should share more with others, stop my pursue of success and so on, generally become more caring. And part of me feels a big relief, when hearing this, because this whole success is very challenging. But maybe this is my sneaky EGO wanting to become low consciousness? Because you see my Life Purpose grows me I think. It requires to face my fears and stuff... So my ego likes this idea, because then it could become lazy again. But maybe that's why I stay in the orange, because I can't let it go? What do you think? 

[Saumaya]

Contemplate this: There is no such thing as laziness, Be lazy fully and then be motivated to act. I am not sure but I think stage green at an individual level would mean that you value contribution and altruism more than individual success.

[Amadeusz]

Yeah I get it. There were many times when I let go and embraced my laziness. Then I started playing computer games, fapping every day to porn, stopped almost every good habit I had. Ok there was more passion, and my authentic motivation kicked in but the amound of healthy motivation was too little... The streak in that paradigm lasted 3 months, then I moved to my whipping paradigm again.  Maybe I need to smoothly transition? Maybe I'm not ready for stage green. So you know, surrender to this success motivation, but at the same time give myself more and more freedom and free time? Sorry if I made it dificult to understand.

[Saumaya]

13 minutes ago, Amadeusz said:

Yeah I get it. There were many times when I let go and embraced my laziness. Then I started playing computer games, fapping every day to porn, stopped almost every good habit I had. Ok there was more passion, and my authentic motivation kicked in but the amound of healthy motivation was too little... The streak in that paradigm lasted 3 months, then I moved to my whipping paradigm again.  Maybe I need to smoothly transition? Maybe I'm not ready for stage green. So you know, surrender to this success motivation, but at the same time give myself more and more freedom and free time? Sorry if I made it dificult to understand.

Forget success. Success for the sake of success has no point.

Always ask yourself this: What is it that you truly truly want and then act. Maybe relaxing, fapping to porn and playing computer games is what you want rather than working all the time. Give it a thought.

What do you truly want and what are you willing to sacrifice for it.

Hope this helps

Also realise that procrastination and laziness are projections of the mind which arise due to unreasonable expectations.

Always ask this from yourself, Ill repeat again:

What do you truly want and what are you willing to sacrifice for it?

Edited February 23, 2018 by Saumaya

[aurum]

3 hours ago, Amadeusz said:

It says that I should share more with others, stop my pursue of success

That's actually not what it says at all.

Spiral dynamics is about integration. You don't "stop" pursuing success because you evolved. You just become aware of the limitations of the previous paradigm and integrate what worked well with your new awareness.

For instance, maybe in stage green you still have a desire for success. But it's based on the desire to help others instead of just trying to achieve some sort of material wealth, because you've realized materialism alone won't make you happy and ends up backfiring.

[d0ornokey]

3 hours ago, Saumaya said:

projections of the mind

im confused? is this some sort of genjutsu?

[Saumaya]

30 minutes ago, d0ornokey said:

im confused? is this some sort of genjutsu?

Amaterasu!

 

Edited February 23, 2018 by Saumaya

[Saumaya]

16 minutes ago, d0ornokey said:

im confused? is this some sort of genjutsu?

Its more like laziness and procrastination are judgements which happen due to you trying to control reality. I dont know if that makes sense

Edited February 23, 2018 by Saumaya

[Omni]

2 hours ago, d0ornokey said:

im confused? is this some sort of genjutsu?

dead

[ppfeiff]

@Amadeusz With regards to the spiral dynamics model: I think this is an easy trap, which I myself have fallen in to at times as well:

"Before leaving this discussion of change, here is a final cautionary note. In trying to understand change in someone or a company, always ask, 'In what way does the person operate in respect to this issue?' Ask not, 'At what level is this person and how do the rules indicate I should be?' Graves always instructed that the latter approach is looking for simplicity that is not there. People are not types; they think about things in their lives in different ways." 

Page 102 from Spiral Dynamics by Don Edward Beck & Christopher C. Cowan

Perhaps its the ego's work to over-simplify reality and force-fit itself into one structure of thinking. You are more complicated than a color. So the question I have for you is: With regards to what issue do you wish to change?

Edited February 24, 2018 by ppfeiff

[HII]

On 23.2.2018 at 2:05 AM, Amadeusz said:

Because you see my Life Purpose grows me I think.

What is your life purpose? With what do you think you need be successful?

[Monkey-man]

Spiral dynamics progress is about outgrowing stages. When u talk success What are you motivated by? How do u define success? If you care about success so people can love and respect you then you still need to go through Blue first. Many ppl mislead that success is only Orange, no, success can be both at Orange and Red. On Orange You don’t care about respect from others to your persona because now u are rational and don’t rely on whether someone likes you or not. On Red u still do. Coz it’s Blue when u develop stable norms and principles that controls ur Red desires such as need for respect, fame and glory. And nothing wrong with Red, Red can be good ppl, map is about seeing where are you and how can you grow from that place. So if you still want ppl to respect and admire you then u need to develop full blown set of inner norms which always will be set of traditional societal values and behave according to norms instead of immediate desires. If u are Orange and want to go Green, Green is about feelings, being in the moment and connecting with ppl that surrounds u and caring for their feelings and well being.

[Leo Gura]

Success and caring don't have to be at odds with one another.

Don't stop your success. Evolve your success into a more caring kind of success. Stage Green succeeds when others around it are also succeeding.

[Max_V]

@Saumaya Is it worth watching Naruto ;)? 

[Saumaya]

8 minutes ago, Max_V said:

@Saumaya Is it worth watching Naruto ;)? 

Yes definitely if you're into anime

[Forestluv]

@Amadeusz For me, I stopped caring about all the titles, accolades and recognition. My concept of success is very different than it was 20 yrs ago.